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    Time for a lawyer?

    Quick question for yall,After a shooting incident,would you call the cops first or your lawyer? Would it look bad if my brother/lawyer were here before the leos finally drag up?
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    Call the cops first, then while they are on their way, call your lawyer. Prosecutor might make you look guilty if you call your lawyer first.

    Law prof and cop agree: never ever ever ever ever ever ever talk to the cops about a crime, even if you're innocent - Right Mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradyM77 View Post
    Call the cops first, then while they are on their way, call your lawyer. Prosecutor might make you look guilty if you call your lawyer first.

    Law prof and cop agree: never ever ever ever ever ever ever talk to the cops about a crime, even if you're innocent - Right Mind
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    Call 911. Advise them that you are the victim of a crime and that you had to defend your life with a firearm. Put the gun down. When LEO arrives identify yourself as the one/victim who called 911 and that the criminal is over there. When they ask for a statement, you advise them that you will be happy to provide them with a statement very soon. That under these circumstances that you really should speak with an attorney first and that you will provide a statement within 24 hours. And then add to the LEO "I sure you understand". And then wait for the lawyer. Period.
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    Agreed, call 911 first, not only is it the right protocol, but the time-line from your cell phone will be likely scrutinized, data indicating that you called a lawyer first doesn't look particularly good.

    BTW if your brother is an attorney you might want to ask him.
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    Others have already given you the correct advice.
    Be sure to watch the two vids (in post #2, BradyM77)...excellent 'eye-openers', and well worth an hour of your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manan View Post
    Call 911. Advise them that you are the victim of a crime and that you had to defend your life with a firearm. Put the gun down. When LEO arrives identify yourself as the one/victim who called 911 and that the criminal is over there. When they ask for a statement, you advise them that you will be happy to provide them with a statement very soon. That under these circumstances that you really should speak with an attorney first and that you will provide a statement within 24 hours. And then add to the LEO "I sure you understand". And then wait for the lawyer. Period.
    +1 I think this is the best way to handle the situation.

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    Call 911. Advise them that you are the victim of a crime and that you had to defend your life with a firearm. Put the gun down. When LEO arrives identify yourself as the one/victim who called 911 and that the criminal is over there.
    Unless you are 1000% sure that there is absolutely no more threat and no chance of a threat, that all of the bad guys are incapable of doing you harm (assuming you actually had any knowledge of just how many there actually were), do not put down the gun and wait for the cops.

    Why would you disarm yourself before the cops arrive. Tactically for reasons of personal safety, that would be a very bad decision.

    Quick question for yall,After a shooting incident,would you call the cops first or your lawyer? Would it look bad if my brother/lawyer were here before the leos finally drag up?
    Your lawyer brother is also on the SWAT team? If he isn't there to secure the scene and hence your personal safety, calling him before the cops would be naive.

    Now, if you call him second and he arrives ahead of the cops, no problem, but your number one job after you are in a position safe enough to call 911 is to get the calvary there. The calvary includes not only the cops, but medical help. Remember, there may be injured parties involved (even other than the bad guy).
    Considering yourself to be defenseless is the first administrative step to becoming a victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manan View Post
    Call 911. Advise them that you are the victim of a crime and that you had to defend your life with a firearm. Put the gun down. When LEO arrives identify yourself as the one/victim who called 911 and that the criminal is over there. When they ask for a statement, you advise them that you will be happy to provide them with a statement very soon. That under these circumstances that you really should speak with an attorney first and that you will provide a statement within 24 hours. And then add to the LEO "I sure you understand". And then wait for the lawyer. Period.

    That is THE way to handle a SD shooting. Excellent way of explaining it Manan.

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    All great advise, but I do have one thing to add. After making sure that you are safe you may want to render medical assistance to anyone injured. You may want medical attention before needing your lawyer.

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    How many times have we done this?

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    "All great advise, but I do have one thing to add. After making sure that you are safe you may want to render medical assistance to anyone injured. You may want medical attention before needing your lawyer."

    Let me add a clarification for you.
    If the bad guy is still alive but, down - do not ever attempt to render medical assistance to the bad guy.

    Request an ambulance at the same time that you call 911 for the Police. Do nothing else for the bad guy.

    Concerning innocent folks that may be injured - do not render medical assistance unless you know what you are doing or you are following specific "step by step" instructions from a qualified individual on the other end of your cell phone.

    You never want to risk making any injury worse or even causing or contributing to the death of an innocent before paramedics arrive to give trained professional help.

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    Good advice - don't talk.

    Adrenaline will be racing through your veins and you probably won't be capable of accurately recounting important details.

    Nothing you can say will help your case; anything you say can hurt.

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    Got it! yall can go back to bed now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMike View Post
    Quick question for yall,After a shooting incident,would you call the cops first or your lawyer? Would it look bad if my brother/lawyer were here before the leos finally drag up?
    If your brother was a fireman and you had a fire in your house, would you call the Fire Dept or your brother?

    The point I'm trying to make is, 911 will get the appropriate authorities there quicker than waiting for your brother to decide what to do, in most cases. The lawyer is for the "after-math" not the current on-going situation.

    If you call your lawyer first I can guarantee that you will look guilty, good shoot or not. It can also be used to show a callous disregard for human life and suffering. Try to overcome that obstacle if you are charged with a crime or sued in civil court.

    Your self defense weapon is a life saving tool, designed to cut a lane of safety for you and other innocents, until responding professional personnel can get there to take over the scene. That would be the Police and EMT's.

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