Defensive Shooting in Richmond

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    Defensive Shooting in Richmond

    This was in the latest VCDL Alert:

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    1. Exclusive: I met with the gun owner who saved lives in the Richmond Golden Market shooting last week
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    On Friday I received a surprise call from the gun owner who has been in the press this week for saving lives at a Richmond store. The gun owner used a replica 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt with a 7 1/2 inch barrel to stop a criminal who had shot the store's owner.

    He wanted to remain anonymous, but called so that the story could be set straight, as much of what was in the press wasn't accurate.

    Board member Dennis O'Connor and I ended up meeting with him today (Saturday) at the Golden Market store, where the shooting had taken place one week earlier.

    Besides being able to actually see the layout of the store, Dennis and I got to see the security videos of the shooting!

    We also got to meet the store owner who had been shot twice during the hold up, but is now back at his store. More on this great man later.

    Here is what we know from talking to the gun owner and watching the videos:

    The gun owner (GO) was in the store waiting in line to pay for an item when the bad guy (BG) came in wearing dark sunglasses and trying to coverup his face while brandishing a revolver. The BG yelled for everyone to get down and before anybody could react, immediately walked over to the store owner and in a cold-blooded fashion shot him twice. The owner then dropped down behind the counter. It wasn't more than 2 seconds after the BG first walked in the doors that he shot the store owner.

    Those shots at the store owner missed a teenage boy's head by inches.

    The GO yelled for the BG to drop his gun as the GO drew his gun. The BG opened fire on the GO. The GO returned fire, hitting the BG as the GO dove hard for the floor behind some barrels full of ice and drinks.

    The BG ran towards the back of the store, aiming his gun at an innocent man laying prone on the floor. Luckily the BG was too distracted by the GO to shoot the man. There is no doubt in my mind that the man would have been shot in cold blood that day if it weren't for that GO returning fire.

    The BG kept trying to get to the front of the store by walking up various aisles and firing shots at the GO as he did so. At one point cans of tinned meat exploded on a shelf as the BG took a shot at the GO.

    What was bizarre was that the BG actually was strutting around like he owned the place while under fire! As he approached the front of one aisle, he again pointed a gun at a person on the ground and was about to execute him, when he was again distracted by the GO.

    Finally the GO spotted the BG at the front of an aisle standing in the open.

    Much to his surprise, the GO discovered that when he dove hard for the floor he had somehow broken the trigger on his gun!

    But the gun was a single action, so the GO pushing himself up with one arm, aimed the gun, pulled the hammer back and let it fly forward - twice.

    Although seriously wounded three times, the BG came at the GO. The BG tried to grab the GO's gun since the BG's gun was out of ammunition. A life-and-death struggle began. The GO got a grip on the BG's gun and the GO hit the BG twice hard on the temple with the 7 1/2" barrel on his rather heavy gun.

    The BG finally broke off the engagement, tried to run out the front door, but collapsed at the door.

    The GO secured the BG's gun and keeping an eye on the now unconscious bad guy, called 9-1-1.

    The BG has now died (he was in critical condition since the shooting).

    The police showed up a minute or so after the 9-1-1 call and initially had everyone in the store at gun point and handcuffed some until they could figure out who was who.

    What really impressed me was that on the surveillance video, the owner, while shot twice by the BG, was walking around making sure that all of his customers were OK after the shooting had ended. He only let himself collapse after he was sure they were OK! Words fail me on this. I am so glad that he made it. What a dichotomy - a BG who shoots an innocent person without provocation, almost killing a teenager while doing so - caring for no one but himself. And then the store owner who, while seriously wounded, making sure his customers were OK. Evil exists and so does Good. Both were on display in those two minutes of terror. Luckily only the bad guy was killed. The owner was walking with a limp, clearly in some pain. :-(

    A lot of people owe their lives to that GO. However, he is having none of it, saying that he simply did what he had to do.

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    The GO wanted me to share the following points:

    * Buy a quality gun - don't use some cheap $90 gun to protect your life. He considered his gun to be a good one and even then the trigger broke under the extreme stress of a life-and-death battle.

    * Practice with your gun, get training, and be good with that gun.

    * More and more BGs are choosing to kill in cold blood to get what they want. If they can't live the "good life, " then they don't care if their crimes send them to jail.

    * He also noted that fewer and fewer BGs are getting any jail time.

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    Here are my thoughts from watching that tape:

    * Talk about a cold-blooded, fast attack where an innocent was shot without warning! Unbelievable. Situational awareness is really important. Luck doesn't hurt, either.

    * Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire. You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically - you'll be the first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner.

    * I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE 45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all! In fact he was strutting like a peacock who owned the place as he was walking up and down the aisles trying to get to a position where he could shoot the GO. As a gun owner, you need to be prepared for that eventuality and keep shooting the BG in his center of mass until he stops his attack. Don't think one shot, or even two shots, are going to do it. And a head shot might well be what it takes to stop such an attack quickly.

    * If you are out of ammunition, a gun does make a great weapon with which to bludgeon someone in hand-to-hand combat.

    * This shooting bolstered both sides of the argument about how much ammunition one should carry. The good guy got off only four shots (of course his gun had a broken trigger and that didn't help). The bad guy got off six shots and ran out of ammunition (thankfully). But in my mind, and having had some advanced training, I think an extra magazine for a semi-auto, or a reloader for a revolver, is a good idea. WIth someone like the BG above, if you run out of ammunition before he does, he will execute you. Period.

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    Good post. I'm so glad all involved except the BG are ok. One more reason to always be armed, alert and practice practice practice.
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    I'd love to know how the trigger failed (broke). I'm not at all familiar with the details of triggers but what luck that he could 'fan' the hammer and stay in action!

    This guy wins the 2009 Chuck Norris award!
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    Good post.

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    Great, thanks for sharing!

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    Wow! Thanks for the post. We don't often get to hear that kind of behind the scenes detail.
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    Good read. Thanks.

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    Good article...and an important point to ponder...

    * I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE 45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Good article...and an important point to ponder...

    * I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE 45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all!

    It's not like the movies.
    Excellent point. We can't blame the good guy for poor marksmanship either, he fired four shots, and got three hits, while being fired upon himself and even though his handgun experienced a catastrophic failure. The robber was obviously very seriously injured, he died even though he made it to a trauma center alive, so they were clearly good hits. Just more proof that no gunshot wound is a guaranteed stopper.
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    Wow, excellent post, thanks for sharing.

    I'm also curious how the trigger broke. Smart thinking on his part though, to get a couple more shots off after it broke.
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    Great story, I'll be carrying in Virginia when I come down soon.

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    Thanks for that post, the GO and store owner are true hero's. While I don't frequent that area now, I work about a 1/2 mile from there and live 15 mins. away. Years ago I use to go out around there on my lunch break, but I don't now. Once when a co-worker and me were sitting on my car trunk, drinking a soda, someone came out of one of the topless bars around there and fired off a shot.

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    Good story, thanks for posting.
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    I would like to find out more about this shooting. Where did it happen? What was the name of the shop? Has the media posted any details? Do you have a link?

    I collect these stories to share with my CCW classes.

    Thanks

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    Great post!!!

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