Voter Intimidation Scenario

Voter Intimidation Scenario

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    Voter Intimidation Scenario

    Some of you may remember stories of voter intimidation at a polling station in Philadelphia during the Presidential Election last year. Here is an update:

    GOP Lawmaker Wants Explanation Why Justice Dismissed Black Panther Voter Intimidation Charges - Political News - FOXNews.com

    This is nagging at me. Voting is a basic freedom in this country. I have read in these forums how so many of us cherish our freedoms and actively work in supporting those freedoms. We certainly say we’d stand against a dictatorial government. Forums affirming our strong patriotism are all over these forums. I know it’s not all lip service. Well, I pose a scenario:

    You have your CCW and your gun is with you, perhaps in your vehicle. You go to vote and the entrance is blocked by armed men spouting off about how only certain votes will be allowed. They actually point their guns at people and ask how they are voting before letting them through.

    This sort of thing might actually be the sprouting of that dictatorial government we all say we’d oppose. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that it might actually happen if you think about the repercussions of the decision made by the courts in this case.

    How do you react?

    You could call the police. But maybe they never show. Could it be because the local “powers that be” are willfully turning a blind eye?

    Do you then walk up and when they point their weapon at you pull your weapon and tell them you’re voting and it’s none of their business what that vote will be? Do you offer escort service to anyone who wants to vote? Do you call your buddies and suggest you band together and tell these thugs to scram? Or do you shrug your shoulders, say, “I guess I won’t vote this time”, go home and possibly awake to hear election results you don’t like? Write a letter to the editor afterwards?

    How would we react? How should we react? What can be done legally anyway?
    Last edited by Pinger; July 26th, 2009 at 04:22 PM. Reason: Grammatical correction
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    Here is one video of an individual armed with what appears to be a nightstick.
    YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

    If you do a search of YouTube for voter intimidation there are many more videos and excerpts from news broadcasts.
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    Can you carry in a polling place?

    Me? I am stupid enough to walk (unarmed) right up to and between two of the ugliest of them, hoping to make that angry man make a move against me. THEN, the police will either have to respond to my actions or their injuries.

    This is not what we call "internet muscles" but something my wife complains about all the time. I love all peaceable people (of all colors, faiths and accents) but I'm allergic to angry people who bully. Angry people, for some reason, cause me indigestion.. and the desire to push their buttons.

    I would give the shirt off of my back to anyone in need, and I am truly colorblind when it comes to my compassion. However, I haven't learned yet to ignore ignorance from gangbangers, KKK'er, black panther types or rowdy rednecks. Treat me nice, I'll treat you better. Treat me rough, I'll treat you rougher. (plus, I'm 52 and my kids are grown)

    So, to answer your question, I would walk myself and anyone around me STRAIGHT down the middle of the blockade and exercise my right to vote.

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    If anyone tries to stop me from doing my civic duty in regards to voting I will use what ethical and moral options I deem proper to exercise my Constitutional right to vote.

    In my view a United States Citizen has no greater duty than to vote.

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    If anyone tries to stop me from doing my civic duty in regards to voting I will use what ethical and moral options I deem proper to exercise my Constitutional right to vote.

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    I agree, and I seriously doubt that Biker would back off. It might be ugly for a minute or so, but I would rather die ONCE than cower everytime I saw a man with a stick.

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    Personally I would try every nonviolent and legal means I can. Call the cops, cops fail, call the sheriff department, that fails call FBI, the FBI fails we have officially gone to WROL. Voting is not going to do much. Also this is not like I call each and wait a few days, I call each of them one after the other til someone shows up and removes them.
    I know not what this "overkill" means.

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    Some may call it cowardly, but given the scenario of armed men outside the polling place, I'm not going to try and enter. 1 armed person against a group of armed people is not a situation your going to win. Back off and call the police. If they do not show up, pick up the phone again and call 911, report a fire at the polling location, also call the local TV station. Follow up those calls with calls to the FBI and the election commission.

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    I have had the option to choose my living places through the years, and I would not be living in, around, or near any area that pulls that kind of crap.

    I now live in the rural South...those voter 'intimidators' wouldn't last too long down here.

    I hope no one is surprised at those in control now, not doing anything about these kinds of actions except for some phony lif service...and it could get worse if the 'true majority' doesn't get out and vote in 2010.
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    I would leave and come back dressed in my DNC / Pelosi / Obama gear,
    go in and vote my conservative ticket.
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    Exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by TerriLi View Post
    Personally I would try every nonviolent and legal means I can. Call the cops, cops fail, call the sheriff department, that fails call FBI, the FBI fails we have officially gone to WROL. Voting is not going to do much. Also this is not like I call each and wait a few days, I call each of them one after the other til someone shows up and removes them.
    Exactly. And one place you can call is the headquarters of the party that the alleged "intimidators" oppose. You can bet they will have the police out in force before you can hang the phone up.

    Philadelphia isn't a third world country. It has a functioning police department. PA has a functioning State Police force. Both have DAs and courts to back them up.

    The incident was relatively trivial. I think in an earlier discussion SD
    said he would not have felt threatened and would have proceeded to enter and vote--as some did.
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    For the record, despite what we all hear on the news re: Phila, and some horrific big-city incidents, there are plenty of areas where you can safely walk around late evening and at night. There are also some where it isn't safe in broad daylight; especially when school is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The incident was relatively trivial.
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    Yes, trivial. It would be equally trivial had this happened in Bozeman, MT, with white supremacists blocking the entrance to polling places armed with asps. Right?

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    If "anyone" was blocking my path to vote while holding firearms and initimidating / threatening people or me that entrance depended upon what way I was voting :

    I would enter and vote for whomever I pleased. I would not bow down to any threat to restrict me from voting for whomever I pleased. Any attempt to prevent me doing that, would be met with whatever level of action it required. Now that could be accompanied by police officers, state police officers, or bringing 100 people with me, as well as a lot of other options.
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    Joel has it right... thug-like behavior happens when it's allowed to occur.

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    In TEXAS, you'd be in violation of the law if you carried your CCW onto the premisses of the polling place. Call the police, leave the weapon in your vehicle.

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    Hopyard-
    The incident was relatively trivial. I think in an earlier discussion SD
    said he would not have felt threatened and would have proceeded to enter and vote--as some did.
    THIS TIME!!

    What happens if the emperor to be has his "Civilian Defense Force" (wonder if they will wear brown shirts) in place for the 2012 elections and they are used to “monitor” the elections.

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