Fatal shooting involving internet forum member

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    Fatal shooting involving internet forum member

    A while back I started a thread here titled http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-shooting.html My scenario was fictional and meant to be a reminder of the aftermath that a citizen may face after defending himself. With that in mind, below is the link to another forum and discussion about a recent shooting involving one of their active members.

    Here's the link, the appropriate thread to read should be at or near the top of their page, you should also see several more links referencing this story on other gun forums as well:

    Louisiana - Stories From The States - OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum

    I'll give you the abbreviated version of the story. A young man aged 19, we'll call him "A", took his friend "B" to a bad part of town. They went inside a house where there were two other males, we'll call them "C" and "D". For some reason, "C" hit "A" in the head with the butt of an AK, "A" drew a .40 Glock and shot and killed "C".

    The remaining three men (A,B & D) all ran out of the house and into the street. It just so happens that a patrol car was nearby and "D" reported the incident to the police. The shooter "A" was arrested and AFAIK is currently being held in jail for first degree murder. The police report that drugs were involved.

    Here is some information about "A":
    19 year old male, too young to apply for CC permit, though is quite active on various gun forums. It seems he OC's quite a bit since he can't CC legally. I haven't gone back and searched his posts before this incident, but I think it's reasonable to assume the prosecutor will and could have a field day with his internet transcripts of every post he's ever done and use his comments/philosophy against him.

    Bad part of town + guns + drugs = tough days in court for a 19 year old and his future.

    FWIW, I'm not trying to just report this incident here as news, I'm using it as a "factual example" as a follow-up to how really bad the aftermath can be for someone. In this case, the young man made some serious mistakes in judgment which makes his aftermath much worse for him. The lesson's here are obvious, but they are too late for this 19 year old.

    BTW I don't know anyone involved in this whatsoever, only what I've read.


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    Nothing good ever comes from getting involved in the drugworld. Now he can kiss his chances of ever legally owning a firearm, let alone carry one, goodbye... whenever he gets out of prison.

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    Well... "A" made some very bad decisions prior to this shooting and will no doubt end up paying for them one way or another.

    This story reminds me why I'm very careful about what I say on public forums because as we all know, nothing is private on the internet!
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    Criminals preying on criminals as caught up in criminal activity acting criminally.

    ...Dunn said Matthew and his friend, Johnny Barnes, were already at Matthew’s residence Friday night about 11 p.m. when Anthony Manzella and Andrew Robertson, both from Hammond, arrived for an apparent drug deal.

    As Manzella and Robertson entered the residence, Matthew pulled out an AK-47 assault rifle and struck Manzella on the back of the head with the butt of the gun, Dunn said.

    Manzella responded by shooting Matthew once with a .40-caliber Glock handgun and Matthew died within minutes, Dunn said...
    Posts about guns on an internet forum are the very least of his troubles and concern.

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    From what I understand whether your a ccw or your OC'ing,if you are involved in illegal activity and shoot somebody You are going to be charged,you put yourself in a dangerous situation while armed,just like going over to somebody you don't like and goading them into attacking you and you shoot them,you can't claim self defense
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    What a train wreck - I could not avert my eyes.

    The link led to other links and on and on - even back to this illustrious forum: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...siana-age.html

    Looks like a dumb 19 year old kid hanging out with thugs, leaving tracks all over the interwebs about using steroids and trying to get away with transporting illicit drugs.

    What took the cake though (if true) was the story about anty506 going to a party intending to make a citizens arrest on the homeowner (for shooting a weapon into the air) and having said homeowner come up behind him, grab his OC firearm and threaten him with it.

    In theory I'm on board with the belief that anyone who has not relinquished their right to keep and bear arms should be able to use that right - but holy smokes some folks may not have the common sense to do it safely.

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    This 19 year old was not a CCW permit holder, he was a criminal. He's actively participating in a 'drug business'...he's going to pay a steep price, and rightly so. The fact that he was on a gun forum has nothing to do with his activities...I'm sure that he's not the only criminal to visit a gun forum.
    To me, he sounds like any other criminal who has been caught up in his own problems.OMO

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    This 19 year old was not a CCW permit holder, he was a criminal.
    True enough, and he was too young to actually have a CC permit. I do believe he was more than just a visitor of gun forums though, I'm pretty sure he was an active member of at least one CC based forum and more active/vocal on a OC forum. Probably on other forums also.

    The fact that he was on a gun forum has nothing to do with his activities...I'm sure that he's not the only criminal to visit a gun forum.
    True again. However, the words he posted on the gun forums have now compounded his problems on "his day in court". My point in posting about this serves as a reminder that we leave a paper trail here. Even if we aren't involved in criminal activity, anyone's internet history can be manipulated by a prosecutor enough so it could make one's legal case more difficult to defend.
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    am glad he is in jail..he would not have been a good example of one who is a "law biding CCW" carrier.
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    People involved in drug deals do not have a right of self-defense?

    I know, I know...I have no sympathy for criminals either, but do we really have enough information to make a decision here on the legality of his actions (the shooting part)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWRedDragon View Post
    but do we really have enough information to make a decision here on the legality of his actions (the shooting part)?
    You are exactly right, we're only getting the media version, plus comments about it on other forums. Neither of which have a stellar reputation for accuracy.

    Whether he's ultimately guilty or innocent, I do think we can all agree he has a TOUGH legal future ahead of him. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes (well actually jailhouse flip flops)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    ... My point in posting about this serves as a reminder that we leave a paper trail here. Even if we aren't involved in criminal activity, anyone's internet history can be manipulated by a prosecutor enough so it could make one's legal case more difficult to defend.
    That's an unusual complication of something much larger. Our only existence in this virtual universe is the impression we leave in other peoples' minds.

    On the net, stupidity is forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Criminals preying on criminals as caught up in criminal activity acting criminally.
    Posts about guns on an internet forum are the very least of his troubles and concern.

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    Agreed .
    To me the OPs post is an insult to this forum and its members.

    First, in most states it is not legal for a 19 year old to buy
    a handgun , you must be 21. How did he get that gun?

    Second,this young man is a criminal involved in criminal activity
    with a gun.What are we to learn from this ?

    Don,t do drugs?
    Don,t buy/sell drugs at gun point?
    This is the very type of criminal that would break into your home and
    rob you at gun point for drug money and you (the OP ) think we
    have something to learn for this young man?
    Don,t put the members of this forum on the same level with
    drug dealers and criminals!
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