Someone messing with your car
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August 8th, 2009 02:06 AM
Actually in Texas 1/2 hour after sunset and 1/2 hour before sunrise is a really bad time to be trespassing on anybodys property,
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August 8th, 2009 02:33 AM
It all depends on what time they are doing this to my vehicle. Any time I can call 9-1-1 and be a good witness. "During the nighttime" as they say in the Texas Penal Code, things are different.
The Muhs case is not really relevant to this discussion as they (1) still have not been convicted of anything, and (2) the only alleged violation by the victim and his family was trespassing. Trespassing is not listed as an offense you can use deadly force to stop. Tearing up the car would qualify as "criminal mischief" and deadly force is authorized under certain circumstances to stop "criminal mischief during the nighttime". Last case I heard of that was similar to this a guy was stealing tools out of a guys work truck and got caught. The shotgun wielding home owner was never charged with anything.
As far as the willingness to use deadly force to protect property being a sign of a weak moral compass, a compass is not weak just because it points a different direction than someone elses. Weakness would be a compass that wavers. I can navigate just fine with a map and a compass that points East if I have to. As long as it is steady, and I know which way it is pointing, that is strong enough.
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August 8th, 2009 03:02 AM
At what point in this scenario is anyone's life in danger?
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August 8th, 2009 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by KenInColo
In most states of the union, if someone just decides to walk up and blow away an unarmed thief who's merely trying to steal their car radio, the shooter can expect to do some hard time in the state pen.
You might get lucky and get a sympathetic jury in someplace like Texas, but in most states you'll end up in the slam for killing an unarmed petty thief.
Shoot somebody in most states and you better be able to prove that they were presenting a clear and present danger to life and/or limb.
Just something to think about.
August 8th, 2009 05:30 AM
"have a cell"
take some photos of him in the act. if a fight starts because of the photos, then handle it as needed.
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August 8th, 2009 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nosights
August 8th, 2009 08:25 AM
In Texas, deadly force can be used to stop theft and criminal mischief at night time... This case would never get to a jury, the grand jury would no-bill the shooter...
Originally Posted by Defensive Arms
The state gives the benefit of the doubt to the property owner since visibility is reduced at night... the state allows the property owner to defend himself and his property first and find out later, if the BG was armed or not...
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August 8th, 2009 09:17 AM
So where do you draw the line? Do you let them come into your house and steal all the stuff in your house as well. After all your house is just full of stuff. How about your pets? Can they kill your pets too, since they are not people, but just animals?
Originally Posted by MadMac
Here is one for you. Maybe the person who is stealing from or trashing your car believes in the Golden Rule. You know the do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Since they are trashing your stuff, maybe they want their stuff trashed too, just so happens they didn't bring anything other than themselves to trash.
If you don't want a boot in your rear or the possibility of lead poisoning, don't mess with my stuff. It's mine, I have worked for it since I was about 12 or so, go get a job and work for your own. Or move to a state other than Texas and mess with folks stuff where the laws are on your side.
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August 8th, 2009 09:29 AM
Calling the police is useless over a car stereo or vandalism
They will not get there in time to stop it and chances of finding the BG after the fact are near zero.
If you use any level of force to stop the crime , you will be in court for years .
Basicly if someone decides you have something they want , you are
powerless to stop them.
In the case of a car stereo you would be better off to give the BG the tools to take it out so he does not rip up your dash,or better yet
take it out yourself and hand it to him.
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August 8th, 2009 05:55 PM
This reminds me of a story from about a year ago that happened in my town. A guy was at his place of business and two thugs came up and were stealing his navigator. He came outside with a shotgun and the BGs had a pistol and they had a little shootout like 20+ shots. Shoot the hell out of his navigator but they didn't make off with it. They said to be on the lookout for a ext. cab chevy with a shot up tailgate. BTW no charges pressed against him at all. Gotta love states like OK and TX.
I think we can second guess every scenario and come up with a reason to just sit and watch rather than act in defense of your interests. I mean my deductible is $1k so that is a pretty big hicky to take on the chin if they get away. If they get caught at least there is a chance that the judge will make the perp pay your deductible. I don't think you shoot first but you damn sure have a right to yell "hey!" at them and then if they act stupid its on them. Just be sure you are near cover before you yell at him.
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August 8th, 2009 06:08 PM
Hm. We got through 40 posts without anyone being called cowardly for doing anything short of personally and violently terminating the BG. We're maturing. Kudos to us all.
August 8th, 2009 06:41 PM
August 8th, 2009 06:56 PM
The OP's opening post didn't specify that his hypothetical event was happening at night, so I presumed daylight.
Originally Posted by TX-JB
Thus my points stand---in MANY states you'd be doing hard time for blowing away an unarmed car stereo thief---and in a DAYLIGHT incident in Texas, it's a toss-up whether you'll be prosecuted.
Either way, you're risking your freedom, livelihood and many of your personal rights if you decide to blow away a car stereo thief.
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August 8th, 2009 08:24 PM
I find it disturbing that many have no issues with killing another human even if the law allows it. And it seems some would relish the opportunity.
August 8th, 2009 09:12 PM
I doubt that. I really can't imagine anyone here enjoying killing someone.
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