Protection at Ohio univ. + poor response on campus

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Schools, and other Criminal Empowerment Zones are a real conundrum. You have to balance higher learning with safety, but you should balance anything you do with safety. There are many many non-lethal options that may be appropriate for you. If you do consider any of these options please learn how to use the tools you select, as it will benefit and aide you, and may give you the slight "edge" you need.

    1) Backpack or Bookbag (keep hands free and it can also make a good bludgeon)
    2) Kubotan (very effective if one knows how to use it)
    3) Pepper Spray
    4) Taser
    5) Defensive Flashlight (can replace the Kubotan)
    The problem is, anything other than the backback, and a standard non tactical flashlight will be considered a violation of regulations at 99% of colleges. Those things listed about are all considered dangerous weapons and students are prohibited from carrying them.

    That being said, I'd just grab an ultra concealable handgun (IN THIS CASE SINCE YOURE A FEMALE, NOT ONE YOU PUT IN YOUR PURSE BUT KEPT ON YOUR PERSON), and carry that.

    I know of atleast half a dozen people that CC at my school every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcabin View Post
    The problem is, anything other than the backback, and a standard non tactical flashlight will be considered a violation of regulations at 99% of colleges. Those things listed about are all considered dangerous weapons and students are prohibited from carrying them.

    That being said, I'd just grab an ultra concealable handgun (IN THIS CASE SINCE YOURE A FEMALE, NOT ONE YOU PUT IN YOUR PURSE BUT KEPT ON YOUR PERSON), and carry that.

    I know of atleast half a dozen people that CC at my school every day.
    I would shy away from carrying a handgun on campus, as it is most likely a violation of the law.

    Violating school policy is quite different from violating the law. The Kubotan is a keychain that just happens to have a stick on it so that you can carry it on your waist by putting it down your pants. Take a look at where a lot of cops carry their keys, if not in the pocket. That was a hint by the way.

    As for Pepper Spray. It may or may not be against the school's policy, but likely isn't against the law. As I said before, violating policy and violating laws are two seperate issues. One can take your freedom, the other can only expell you from school. One has to weigh the pros and cons and make their own decision.

    I am in no way advocating violating the law! I would urge anybody to research their respective jurisdiction's laws in regard to such matters, as well as school policies.

    Take care and stay safe.

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    I would stay away from C.C. on campus in buildings, Ohio has(had) some messed up regs when it comes to C.C.(where it has to be openly carried-by law-like inside a car, but people are working to change and have changed some of these dumb regs.) it could get this young lady in trouble. Those that have a Ohio permit know what I am talking about.

    Let me start by saying that I am(was-owner closed the school) a martial arts instructor, we also taught a "street self defence class" to non-tradional students, pepper spray is one of the things that I highly promoted it is a very good tool, the other tools people mentioned are good tools also (but INMHO) you need some training to utilize these items to their efectiveness, with the classes we had and siminars and classes we went to for instuction/training i have seen/heard the whole spectrum of the use of these tools from being effective to only p.o.ing the perp.

    Only keep in your backpack what is 100% needed, do you really need the wight of the extra jeans/shirts ect. Keep your drivers lic./student ID/credit card/etc. in a little wallet that you can slip in your pocket, leave the purse in your car, under the seat in the trunk somewhere unseen. Pepper spray in a pocket of your pants/scrubs that has quick easy access.

    And take some self defence classes, keeping in mind that these are just tools too, they are not meant to stand toe-toe with someone, use these to get out of someones grasp and "RUN & SCREAM" you should already be sceaming at this point. I never recomend that anyone stand and fight with a attacker if you are able to get away essecially if they have not had formal training-alot of it.

    How near Toledo are you, I might be able to put you in touch with someone I trust very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    I would shy away from carrying a handgun on campus, as it is most likely a violation of the law.

    Violating school policy is quite different from violating the law. The Kubotan is a keychain that just happens to have a stick on it so that you can carry it on your waist by putting it down your pants. Take a look at where a lot of cops carry their keys, if not in the pocket. That was a hint by the way.

    As for Pepper Spray. It may or may not be against the school's policy, but likely isn't against the law. As I said before, violating policy and violating laws are two seperate issues. One can take your freedom, the other can only expell you from school. One has to weigh the pros and cons and make their own decision.

    I am in no way advocating violating the law! I would urge anybody to research their respective jurisdiction's laws in regard to such matters, as well as school policies.

    Take care and stay safe.

    Biker
    I know the CC is against the law and policy. I'm fairly certain the pepper spray is not, and I know a lot of girls who do carry it...it's possibly one of those things that is written down in a school regulation somewhere, but isn't followed in practice. I'll definitely check on it, at any rate.

    I think I'll pick up a kubotan...I saw a couple at a gun show I was at yesterday, and it couldn't hurt to have it with me.

    I've thought about the CC, since I tend to wear blazers and suit jackets to class and the likelihood of being caught is so slim with a shoulder rig...but I can't bring myself to risk it, especially in my field of study which is 99.9% . I'd just rather not, even if I have to ask for an escort once a week (which was a great idea, thanks to everyone who suggested it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasher View Post
    I would stay away from C.C. on campus in buildings, Ohio has(had) some messed up regs when it comes to C.C.(where it has to be openly carried-by law-like inside a car, but people are working to change and have changed some of these dumb regs.) it could get this young lady in trouble. Those that have a Ohio permit know what I am talking about.

    Let me start by saying that I am(was-owner closed the school) a martial arts instructor, we also taught a "street self defence class" to non-tradional students, pepper spray is one of the things that I highly promoted it is a very good tool, the other tools people mentioned are good tools also (but INMHO) you need some training to utilize these items to their efectiveness, with the classes we had and siminars and classes we went to for instuction/training i have seen/heard the whole spectrum of the use of these tools from being effective to only p.o.ing the perp.

    Only keep in your backpack what is 100% needed, do you really need the wight of the extra jeans/shirts ect. Keep your drivers lic./student ID/credit card/etc. in a little wallet that you can slip in your pocket, leave the purse in your car, under the seat in the trunk somewhere unseen. Pepper spray in a pocket of your pants/scrubs that has quick easy access.

    And take some self defence classes, keeping in mind that these are just tools too, they are not meant to stand toe-toe with someone, use these to get out of someones grasp and "RUN & SCREAM" you should already be sceaming at this point. I never recomend that anyone stand and fight with a attacker if you are able to get away essecially if they have not had formal training-alot of it.

    How near Toledo are you, I might be able to put you in touch with someone I trust very much.
    Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately I'm not close at all to Toledo - about 3 hours away.

    See my post to BikerRN regarding the CC. I agree with him (and you) that it's not a good risk to take, particularly because I'm surrounded by people who would be THRILLED to "out" a gun owner and are already suspicious of my political leanings due to some things I've said during discussion.

    I'm going to stow the purse; there's not much in it, anyway. Whatever was in there can go in my bookbag.

    Thanks!

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    I just wanted to clarify - I do not have "a giant bag of hairspray, perfume, and an alternative outfit for the day in case I tire of the one I'm wearing" in my bookbag or purse...I was just joking. I have textbooks, books, and notebooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy08 View Post
    Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately I'm not close at all to Toledo - about 3 hours away.

    See my post to BikerRN regarding the CC. I agree with him (and you) that it's not a good risk to take, particularly because I'm surrounded by people who would be THRILLED to "out" a gun owner and are already suspicious of my political leanings due to some things I've said during discussion.

    I'm going to stow the purse; there's not much in it, anyway. Whatever was in there can go in my bookbag.

    Thanks!
    Ivy, you're bringing a smile to my face thinking about a Sociology Class I took.

    You can guess how I lean, and students hated agreeing with me, but once in a while it did happen. We had some very respectful, but interesting debates. By the time it was over almost everyone agreed with me on one point or another. Of course they didn't change their political leanings, or general outlook on how to solve the world's problems though.

    I like to think of it as bringing a "dose of reality" to the uninformed. Take care and stay safe.

    Biker

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    A couple thoughts:
    How about leaving your books in a locker at the school and buying a 2nd set for home? Then you would be lighter while walking, maybe even avoiding a backpack.

    Then how about parking in a park & ride (as they are called here) several miles from school, where you can park in a well lit area and take a bus to campus, maybe right in front of your class? It would cost you some each week, but may be a nice change of scenery.

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    Ivy,

    I went to OU for my undergrad back a few years (or maybe a little more) and I was trying to underdstand where your class is based on your description in your first post. Many of my classes were on West Green at the Stocker Center. Are you closer to the middle of town or are you more off-campus? I know they've expanded alot, so I may not be totally familiar with where you are at.

    Campus security was not too robust when I was there, and I can guess it hasn't improved a whole lot. Most of the time they were on the lookout for drinking, parking, etc. That said, I think the advice on using a backpack and mace are good suggestions. Anything more than that and you're putting yourself at risk with the law or school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy08 View Post
    Anyway, it's given me a lot to think about - if he had been dressed in an average or poor way, I would have ignored him and headed for the stairs, but because he was nicely dressed I assumed he was 1) safe and 2) harmless faculty and decided to stop and "chat."
    That's how Ted Bundy was able to kill so many women. He even wore fake casts on his arms or in a sling at times, so they would see him as harmless. He would dress well and "seem so nice".

    There is a "kitty" head key bob. ....... eyes are holes and it has pointy ears. I'm not sure I want to describe how to use it nor what it is for... other than it is for self-defense. When you see it, you will have no doubts how it's used. Some gun shops carry them, but be sure to check the local laws, as in some places they may be illegal to carry. If used, they can do some serious damage to someone. The unknowning see them as nothing but a 'cute' kitty key chain bob.

    And I"m not sure what I think of them, but a personal siren attached to your belt to attrack as much attention as you can.... while you disable them with the "kitty".

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    I strongly recommend a kubotan that's pointed on one end. In a situation where an attacker has rape and/or murder on his mind, the pointed end can deliver devastating strikes to the eyes, temples etc.

    The very reasonably priced kubotan pictured on the site below is only 5.5 inches long, and is made of a lightweight aluminum alloy that's virtually impossible to break:

    Kubaton - On Sale for $5.95

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    Attach the pepper spray unit from the site below to your kubotan keychain, and you'll have two effective modes of personal defense:

    Mace® 10% Pepper Spray Hard Key Case with UV DYE - Bl - Buy Now
    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

    ~ Massad Ayoob

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Ivy, you're bringing a smile to my face thinking about a Sociology Class I took.

    You can guess how I lean, and students hated agreeing with me, but once in a while it did happen. We had some very respectful, but interesting debates. By the time it was over almost everyone agreed with me on one point or another. Of course they didn't change their political leanings, or general outlook on how to solve the world's problems though.

    I like to think of it as bringing a "dose of reality" to the uninformed. Take care and stay safe.

    Biker
    I'm hoping for some good debates. I've had a couple of opportunities to speak up, but I'm waiting until I've established my intellectual cred in class before shocking everyone. We'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick68 View Post
    A couple thoughts:
    How about leaving your books in a locker at the school and buying a 2nd set for home? Then you would be lighter while walking, maybe even avoiding a backpack.

    Then how about parking in a park & ride (as they are called here) several miles from school, where you can park in a well lit area and take a bus to campus, maybe right in front of your class? It would cost you some each week, but may be a nice change of scenery.
    I wish I could buy a second set, but textbooks are just way too expensive, not to mention I annotate them for class discussion.

    I'm looking into switching from the parking lot I'm in to one kind of like what you described, where students park and get on a bus together. It's what I had at my undergrad school, and it is a safer system overall, if more time-consuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesy_26 View Post
    Ivy,

    I went to OU for my undergrad back a few years (or maybe a little more) and I was trying to underdstand where your class is based on your description in your first post. Many of my classes were on West Green at the Stocker Center. Are you closer to the middle of town or are you more off-campus? I know they've expanded alot, so I may not be totally familiar with where you are at.

    Campus security was not too robust when I was there, and I can guess it hasn't improved a whole lot. Most of the time they were on the lookout for drinking, parking, etc. That said, I think the advice on using a backpack and mace are good suggestions. Anything more than that and you're putting yourself at risk with the law or school.
    I actually mean an Ohio university, not OU. i have, however, been on that particular campus recently and no, security has no improved aside from hunting for drunks. Thanks for the suggestions, though!

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