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    a real event that happened

    About a month ago, after going to a comedy club in Seattle, my friends and myself were walking by a popular bar, which shall remain nameless, that sits in plain view of Seahawks stadium.
    4 guys came running outta the bar, swinging fists back and forth pretty hard core!

    It was so intense, that the security guard came out sparying mass on the people fighting and fell victem to a nasty blow to the nose! The hit was so hard that we could hear it standing 200 feet away.

    The security guard went back into the bar, and the fight continued into the streets and parking lot, when one guy fell onto the ground, and a girl outta nowhere walked up and starting to kick the guy on the ground in the head!

    My friend and I are avid gun funs, but do not curretnly have our concealed permits, but watching this we were thinking to our selves that this would be a good time to have one, just in case something bad happened,
    nothing did really, the fight ended and with a little blood sheed, the people got in their cars and left!

    A cop even passed by right as the fight ended, too bad the cop didn't drive by a few seconds earlier,

    NOW then my question is, say one of the people fighting pulled out a gun and started shooting at the other people fighting him, what would you do as a concealed weapon carrier? I am still unclear as to what i would do, all I know is I was very on edge and would have stopped myself before pulling out the gun so I don't let my excited tendecies get the worst of me!

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    I would retreat to a place of cover & concealment,call 911 and try to be a good witness. If I felt the person doing the shooting was a direct threat to myself I would draw and take appropriate countermeasures. I think stumbling on a situation like this can be dangerous. You don't know how many people are armed. You don't know If any other armed people will run out of the club. What if the guy doing the shooting was being stabbed and was defending himself ?You better asses the situation before you decide to be RAMBO.

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    yeah i agree, we just lukcy it was just a plain fist fight, but the thought of them having a gun did come into our minds

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    You weren't directly involved and you were 200 ft away as soon as you smelled trouble you should have left the area immediately and called 911.
    George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed."

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    yeah, we were a little more shocked that this was happening than in "oh ****" mode, but if i did call 911, by the time the cops would get there, everyone would have been gone. I just can't believe the guy hit the security guard square in the nose!

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    My advice: Make like a banana and get the **** out of there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitznig
    I am still unclear as to what i would do...
    We are all in the same boat, no one really knows in advance exactly what he will do in a stress situation.

    My general plan on arriving in the middle of an unclear situation, like a mob boiling out of a bar fighting, would be to fade away. No way to separate bad guys from good guys (if there were any good guys involved), no one near and dear to me in the crowd, so no compelling reason to interfere even if shooting commenced. Plenty of compelling reasons to depart.

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    Best to call 911 in any case. Even if you think it was over. sometimes fights can continue or start back up . don't get involved if possible. A CCW pemit is for your protection, not clearing out Dodge City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calireserve
    What if the guy doing the shooting was being stabbed and was defending himself ?You better asses the situation before you decide to be RAMBO.
    Absolutely. Unless you are so close as to know what's going on, the best thing is to get the heck far out of the way and call from some sort of cover area. With a moving mass like that, there's no safe place except point blank to hit a particular target, and you aren't going to be there in a bar fight (in Wash. you can't carry in a bar).

    Take cover and call, see what develops.
    eschew obfuscation

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    All of the above posts summarize my thoughts well - but my weapons are for the protection of my family and me. I have no desire to jump into a fact pattern without knowing all of the facts! The situation is too unknown, and would invite litigation if an "event occurred".
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    At 2/3s the length of a football field I would dial 911 and move to cover or concealment. Unless the shooter starts running towards me shooting everyone he sees, they are no direct threat to me. Being the nice guy that I am, I would also herd my friends towards cover or concealment. If bullets start flying you don't know where they will end up, so it's best not to be anywhere they might hit you.

    At that distance I'm not sure how good a witness I could be other than general stuff, but write down any details you can as soon as you can.

    If I wasn't directly invovled it is unlikely I would take any position to become involved. The shooter could be a good guy, like say an under cover cop (UC LEO) who tried to make an arrest. Not a smart one, but hey you never know. In DC the cops used to shoot each other all the time because the cops looked like the BGs. A uniformed officer would see a skany guy with a gun chasing a respectable looking guy and shoot the skany one, who was the cop.

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    As above. From experience, bar-fights are usually initiated by those with 1) very little sense, or 2)those who have surrendered their sense to alcohol (which leads back to #1). Being in a bar you can never say, "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time...."- you darn well know......or you will learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calireserve
    I would retreat to a place of cover & concealment,call 911 and try to be a good witness. If I felt the person doing the shooting was a direct threat to myself I would draw and take appropriate countermeasures. I think stumbling on a situation like this can be dangerous. You don't know how many people are armed. You don't know If any other armed people will run out of the club. What if the guy doing the shooting was being stabbed and was defending himself ?You better asses the situation before you decide to be RAMBO.
    +1

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    well to me , among other things

    My friend and I are avid gun funs, but do not curretnly have our concealed permits, but watching this we were thinking to our selves that this would be a good time to have one, just in case something bad happened,
    nothing did really, the fight ended and with a little blood sheed, the people got in their cars and left!
    That is why we all have the ccw that other 1 percent , that being said once you get yours , remember i do preach at the church of non intervention and a drunken barfight among others isnt exacly why you got your ccw ... its allways a judgment call last year i lost an online friend killed in a barfight ( he was a sometimes bouncer at the bar stopped for a soda after shift on the way home ) who interviened .. lets remember why we carry folks and whats imporntant , i know in my case it makes me look like an anti-hero , but i carry so i go home to my loved ones all the time , sometimes... ahh hell do a forum search lol all i am saying is do some soul searching about why you want a ccw , and how your willing to use it when you get it

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    yeah thats true, the thing that bothers the most is the fact that we just sat there and watched as it was happening! doh

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