Don't shoot Center of Mass...

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    Don't shoot Center of Mass...

    ...shoot center of whatever the biggest target is that you can see.Listening to a Pod cast the other night and one of the commentators made a point that I had not really thought about because it would be seem to be common sense to me.But he said to many people get hung up on shooting center mass and if the center of mass is behind cover they shoot the cover.So he always tells people don't shoot center mass shoot center of whatever the biggest target is that you can see.

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    ...shoot center of whatever the biggest target is that you can see.
    That has always been the defintion of COM in the ten years that I have been studying gunfighting.

    But he said to many people get hung up on shooting center mass and if the center of mass is behind cover they shoot the cover.
    This goes against my experience. What I have seen is people so locked in on shooting COM of what is exposed that they forget that they can shoot through concealment.

    Who was the guy in the podcast?

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    Just out of a class at USShooting Academy, my instructors basically said the same thing. Their first comments were related to COM (heart, lungs) but then expanded to what is available. Some of our practical was starting at routine COM and then walking our shots up or down.

    Was a very interesting concept compared to what I was first taught. One of my instructors was a 13 yr active police. His comment was shoot what is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    That has always been the defintion of COM in the ten years that I have been studying gunfighting.
    I'm with Roger, everything I've been taught is to shoot at the center of whatever portion of the assailant is available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    This goes against my experience. What I have seen is people so locked in on shooting COM of what is exposed that they forget that they can shoot through concealment.
    That, or they just haven't picked up on the fact that most things are concealment, rather than cover.

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    As has been said, Center of Mass means exactly that, center of mass, not center of body. It is the middle area of the target presented to you; nothing more, nothing less. The pod caster should brush up on his basic definitions...
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    This is something I'm not going to worry about. Most of what might be assumed to be cover will only work against a BB gun. Training puts those first few rounds at the hidden COM downrange in less than 2 seconds. If the threat still exists, the 'thinking' has had a moment to analyse the situation and find a final solution.
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    I thought that went without saying. Of course you aim for the center of whatever mass is available...
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    shoot at the middle of what is available at that critical moment is how I was taught and trained. If there is no viable target, no shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    That has always been the defintion of COM in the ten years that I have been studying gunfighting.
    Ditto. ^^

    The term "Mass" is not defined as 'chest' area.
    It is defined as being the central most are of the target as viewable and available.

    Below is an example of as much for folk, who have not posted in this thread, that might be unsure/confused...

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    Where is the Center of Mass?

    Central area as amongst target that is viewable and available, and is thus easiest to sight (!) which results in increased hit probability.


    I would not shoot through cover but under specific situational circumstances.
    Not to say that shooting through cover is always going to be a bad idea or not possible, but I would not encourage it as an item to rely on or expect to be an available option.

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    Guys name is Lawdog has a blog here http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/ he mentions a specific incident in which a LEO shot several shots into the engine block of a car because the guy was behind the car and the guy was shooting for center of the body

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    Shooting through concealment is wise if you KNOW the BG is behind it and IF you have enough ammo to spare the shots. Hollowpoints laugh at interrior walls which hardly put up any resistance much less your average door. I have a clip of ball ammo in my safe just for this purpose if it ever became necessary

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    Thanks for sharing this point...
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    Center of Mass = Center of any part of the target you can see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Gobble like a turkey and when they look shoot em in the head
    City folk ain't gonna get that one!
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