But He Only Had A Knife (CAUTION: Graphic pictures)

But He Only Had A Knife (CAUTION: Graphic pictures)

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    But He Only Had A Knife (CAUTION: Graphic pictures)





    Cops shoot people with knives.
    Doubt me? Excellent video to watch if available: Calibre Press' "Surviving Edged Weapons." A review of the video exists here. You'll never view a knife in the same way again. Guaranteed. Particularly when wielded by those hailing from a "knife culture."
    Wherever I go, I am always armed with at least one Spyderco knife (at minimum a Delica or my 9" folding Police) and additionally, when possible, a handgun in a popular caliber of my choosing. I like my Glock, I really like my stainless Sig P239 in rear draw.
    Until the TSA updates their scanning devices, I have customarily been armed on all my flights with a custom-made, highly-polished carbon-fiber knife in a nylon sheath around my ankle. I determined long ago, post 9-11, that if I'm going down, someone is going with me and they won't be pleased with my blade embedded in their eye socket, under the chin, or thrust downwards, through the gap between the collar bone and shoulder blades to sever the subclavian artery.


    In my advanced years I have determined that not only will I shoot all persons with knives who hold them in a certain specific fashion (the mark of a good knife fighter, which I shall not reveal here), I will shoot to kill juveniles who advance on me with either knives or other manners of deadly force.


    Because juveniles have no concept whatsoever of mortality.


    It makes them deadlier still.


    Make no mistake: I would drop the hammer much more readily on a juvenile than I would an adult. And I would have a good dinner that night and sleep like a baby thereafter.


    Your stupid child wouldn't get past me with a knife or a gun. Your stupid adult might perhaps acquire a fraction-of-a-second more consideration.


    There's a REASON my department trains a "double tap" into the thoracic cavity and then one into the brain pan.


    Two to the heart. One to the head. Triple tap. Body armor.

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    I stumbled across this today. It really drives home the need for advanced gun courses, i.e. Tueller Drills

    The next time someone says to bring a gun to a knife fight, they better know how to draw that gun and fire it quickly. If they can't get that weapon out and be able to fire off 2 shots in 1.5 seconds, the guy with the knife will win.
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    Grim and gruesome...and an unforgettable reminder (at least for me), that a knife-wielding attacker is a deadly threat and must be dealt with accordingly.
    Thanks for sharing this.
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    Good post.

    I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again, but I am more scared of a knife than I am a gun.

    With a gun, I may get shot. With a knife I will get cut. The amount of distance needed to not be vulnerable to someone armed with a knife is a lot further than most people think. I want you at least 15 Yards away from me if you have a knife, and that includes me already having my gun out and aimed at the torso of the knife wielder.

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    Great post I hate getting cut even when I do it to myself (thanks Kershaw). Get within 7 yrds with a bat, tire tool, broken bottle or knife your in trouble.

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    if i'm within less then a few feet of an attacker...i would take the knife in most situations.

    these images are gruesome but that's the facts. now if only the SC kid stabbing resource officer liberals could see this they will understand why the officer did what the had to do.
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    Get within 7 yards with a bat, tire tool, broken bottle or knife your in trouble
    Not me. That Tueller Drill is done with an open carry. The gun is right there in the holster for you to grab.

    I've done Tuellers with Simunitions. 7 yards is too close,sometimes you win,sometimes you don't. From a concealed position you stand an excellent chance of getting cut. Fumble the draw the least bit and you are guaranteed to get cut.

    I'll take 15 yards as the minimum.

    I've been to calls with a knife and in every case I'll grab the 870 and jack one in the chamber as soon as I exit the car. I aint playing with knives, ignore commands and advance on me and you will get shot.


    I have taken people that have been seriously cut and bleeding all over my car to the ER because we did not have time for an amublance to travel 25-30 minutes to the hospital. I have stopped and transfered people that have passed out due to blood loss to the oncoming ambulance in the middle of the road.

    Fear of knives? No.
    Fear of getting cut? Definatley.
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    Sharp knife. I'm assuming he lived by the fact he was sitting up and most of the bleeding had stopped. ???

    Was it the same guy in the pics who got cut front and back?

    Any other details, such as what happened and what type/length knife was used?

    Good reminder on the damage a knife-welding attacker can cause.

    I think I want about 100 yards between me and anyone with a knife. Or more.

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    You should see my catalog of edged weapon injury photos. Preaching to the choir here.

    I was going to post them here but I checked with Bumper first and he felt it may be too graphic for a family forum. I respect that! I have no problem with it.

    However, I do feel it is important for people to see just what a knife can do because I believe the average ccw holder really doesn't get the opportunity to see first hand just how deadly edged weapons really are. Those in public safety professions deal with it regularly if they work in an any type of urban and even suburban area. But the average citizen only have their imagination to try and speculate.

    Beware of edged weapons!

    BTW... For any of you LEO's, if you get an opportunity to attend one of Caliber Press's 3 day "Street Survival" seminar, I highly recommend it. I attended in 1988 and it was one of the best eye openers I've ever attended. I'd like to attend again sometime, but I have still have LFI on my list first.
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    Wow. I'm glad dinner is still a couple hours away, and lunch is 4 hours behind me.

    the Quotation said something about carrying carbon fibre knives on planes. Isn't that a short trip to prison, possibly Guantanamo?

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    I'm with Biker, knives scare the **** out of me. 10-15 yards between me and a knife if I can help it.
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    I'm w/Biker & Sub Hunter. I don't think 21' is nearly enough; double that at least.

    In a Tueller Drill, even at my [advanced] age, in 1.5 secs., I could get close enough to inflict a serious wound on a defender w/a holstered hand gun.
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    This helps to reinforce something that I strongly believe, knowing how to fight hand 2 hand is so important. I know that not everybody can ,but those who are physically capable who don't learn and practice some type of fighting skill put themselves at a terrible disadvantage.
    Knives are nasty, make sure to carry one.

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    In my advanced years I have determined that not only will I shoot all persons with knives who hold them in a certain specific fashion (the mark of a good knife fighter, which I shall not reveal here), I will shoot to kill juveniles who advance on me with either knives or other manners of deadly force.
    Anyone care to explain the super secret knife handling technique?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Good post.

    I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again, but I am more scared of a knife than I am a gun.

    With a gun, I may get shot. With a knife I will get cut. The amount of distance needed to not be vulnerable to someone armed with a knife is a lot further than most people think. I want you at least 15 Yards away from me if you have a knife, and that includes me already having my gun out and aimed at the torso of the knife wielder.

    Biker
    I'm with you Biker. I've been cut and got very lucky it wasn't a fatal.
    I had a kung Fu instructor drill into me that you need to accept you WILL get cut when you see a knife. Accept it, don't freeze, deal with it as a truly deadly threat.
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    Good post.

    If someone drew a knife on me I would to give them all the hollow points in my CZ...from the business end of my barrel.
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