Well, used my Firearm in force other day. LONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogbones View Post
    As I approached ... it was a rott 80-100lbs 'bout 50yrads ... and it came at me...FAST.

    I would have been in big trouble if I was unarmed no?
    Yup.

    Sounds a bit like that recent post about the brown bear attack, up in Alaska.

    You never know. Anytime, anywhere.

    Go armed. Always. 'Cause nobody else is gonna do it for you.

    I don't disagree that shooting the first dog was necessary, and probably even the second. It DOES bother me though that you seem so callous about it.
    Anything actively seeking to eat me has lost all rights. My right to defend my life against murder trumps its desire to breathe, every day of the week. But you're right: the soul of the animal was something above that of a stone, and of some worth. Too bad the soul was trapped in a body/mind that believed murder of innocents was a right. That's where my compassion stops.
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    Good shooting Frogbones. I'm glad you're able to post this, if you weren't armed, you may not have been able to. It's a shame and a very sad thing having to put down a domestic animal, but these two were no longer domesticated. The only kind of life they had to look forward to was to be filled with hunger, disease, mange, etc...

    You did them a favor in all honesty. Not to mention the favor you potentially did for the neighborhood in taking down two dangerous animals that could have attacked anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Souls huh? You've got to be kiddin me.

    Your're more worried about a man being "callous" about two dogs that he whacked that could have ripped him apart than you are his well being?

    Man...thats is just so...

    callous....

    I didn't say it wasn't justified, and of course I'm glad he didn't get hurt!
    I'm just saying the way he wrote it, it sounds like he didn't give a rip. I'm a dog lover, who would do the same if I HAD to, but it would also bother me a little. These may have been docile pets at some point that only had to become feral because some human failed them. Dogs are our dominion and responsibility. Attacks and uncontrolled breeding are a symptom of a failure by humans to be proper caretakers.
    Too few people seem to have any respect for any life anymore, though I'm not saying our OP is like that. Maybe it's just the way he wrote it.
    Shred me for caring if you wish, but that's how I feel.
    Again though, Glad the OP was prepared, and did what he had to to come and post it. Self preservation comes first.
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    Arko, my post might have sounded flippant too since I was focused on the near loss of human life.

    It is a shame the dogs had to be put down, but once they attack a human unprovoked, it's time for them to go.

    As usual, the blame for the dogs' condition can probably be traced to a human somewhere.

    I wish we had a dog again.

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    stupid city-boy question:

    what is a "feral" dog???

    thanks :)

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    not a stupid question at all. "Feral" dogs are canines that have gone wild, or gone "rouge". Often they are dogs that used to be somebody's pet, but have reverted back to "wild" status. They tend to be very dangerous as they often have lost their ffear of humans, but while in a pack of other wild dogs, they can become exceedingly vicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce21b View Post
    stupid city-boy question:

    what is a "feral" dog???

    thanks :)
    A wild dog is the simplest way to put it. It's reverted back to it's primal instincts and does not fear or respect humans. They're usually found in packs.

    They'll attack pretty much anything, from domesticated animals, to wild animals, to farm animals, to humans. They're not to be taken lightly.
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    As the ecomony tightens some folks who can't afford to feed there dogs any longer, and just take them out into the country side and turn them out.

    These dogs do not fear humans and tend to find packs to run with. They can and do become killer of livestock, and with out fear of humans they are a threat to children playing away from parent.

    It sounds cruel to just shoot a dogs out in the wild.

    REMEMBER THIS; with out the natural fear of humans, and when pack rule sets in, and hunger began they may and probably will see humans as food. Being eaten by a pack of dogs is a very bad way to die.

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    I was set upon by a pack of four feral dogs back in 1983, as I walked home from a nearby restaurant at around 9 pm. Someone had offered me a drive, but I declined noting I lived less than two blocks away. Bad call that. This was a third world (Central Am.) country I was stationed in and rabies was endemic there (I remember someone called it "pandemic"). Many dogowning families had left the country (civil war) and their dogs joined others in the gullies surrounding the outlying suburbs. From which they emerged as incredibly vicious feral dogs, in packs. All this I found out later, of course. As I walked up the street, I heard them baying from the end of a sidestreet to my right (it was dark) and momentarily saw them, barreling right towards me in pack formation - the alpha dog running point. They were big ********. I drilled the lead dog with my Walther PPK/s, right through the skull. It leaped back, squirming and squealing. No need for a mercy shot. The others ran away so fast it seemed that their heads just turned into tails. When I got home and finally stopped shaking, I checked the gun. It had jammed on the second shot. Stovepipe. Glad I got the mutt with my first one. I got myself a Series 70 Colt 1911 in .45 ACP after that.
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    From every thing I have read and studied the alpha dog is the key to the pack.

    I would think camping with packs of feral dogs in the area could be very dangerous.

    One trapper suggested using snares around your camp sight to catch feral dog and then deal with them as you see fit.

    The feral dog problem is just starting and as the ecomony worsens it will increase.

    BTW it is good to know that a well placed 380 round will stop a very large dog, good shooting.

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    Oh man now I feel bad for not giving that stinking little mouse that ate my Cheetos and then got WHAMMED by the trap a proper burial.....Sorry Arko when another mammal feels the need to steal from, harm, or kill me or my family I have no remorse for taking action to protect. Good job froggy!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arko View Post
    I didn't say it wasn't justified, and of course I'm glad he didn't get hurt!
    I'm just saying the way he wrote it, it sounds like he didn't give a rip. I'm a dog lover, who would do the same if I HAD to, but it would also bother me a little. These may have been docile pets at some point that only had to become feral because some human failed them. Dogs are our dominion and responsibility. Attacks and uncontrolled breeding are a symptom of a failure by humans to be proper caretakers.
    Too few people seem to have any respect for any life anymore, though I'm not saying our OP is like that. Maybe it's just the way he wrote it.
    Shred me for caring if you wish, but that's how I feel.
    Again though, Glad the OP was prepared, and did what he had to to come and post it. Self preservation comes first.
    I understand what you're saying. I have a soft spot in my heart for all dogs.

    But out in the country things are different. If you have livestock, it is your responsibility to protect your livestock from stray dogs. The same things goes with protecting ones self.

    I suppose you have to encounter a wild dog to appreciate their destructive potential.

    I've had to put down a few dogs. It's never pleasant.

    When 3 strays attacked and mauled my Australian Shepherd (Lucy), I had no remorse in killing the 3 strays. BTW, Lucy was 15 years old and she didn't stand a chance. It was sickening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    [...] The feral dog problem is just starting and as the ecomony worsens it will increase.

    BTW it is good to know that a well placed 380 round will stop a very large dog, good shooting.
    Thanks. I didn't blame the PPK for the jam. It was new, I hadn't broken it in properly and I was carrying some reloads I'd bought in Miami (ah, heedless unthinking youth that I was then). Funny, all of us who were stationed there were concerned about guerrilla or death squad attacks. And I end up being beset by a pack of dogs.... But now, as you say, the feral dog problem is just going to get worse in this country - and in more ways than one....
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    You guys are misunderstanding me. If the incident occurred as described, I don't deny the shoot was justified. I would just like to have seen a HINT of regret for HAVING to do it.

    Whatever. Guess I should become as blasé as everyone else.

    BTW, I completely understand dog attacks. I HAVE been attacked. By a Rot. Before I had an HCP and could carry.

    I also was certified as a K9 handler when I worked security.

    No further comment from me on this, as I'm clearly in the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arko View Post
    I would just like to have seen a HINT of regret for HAVING to do it.

    Whatever. Guess I should become as blasé as everyone else.
    Something to think about: the mere fact someone doesn't express regret in a forum doesn't mean someone doesn't care. To assume folks are therefore blasé is a leap.

    Frankly, I've spoken of my desire to avoid having to do anything of the sort a hundred times, in other discussions. One can't legitimately assume much simply because the same commentary isn't duplicated here, in this new discussion.
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