at Home drinking?
This is a discussion on at Home drinking? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Pro2A
I believe if you are home, alcohol is not a factor if it was a justifiable shoot. Thats like saying you ...
December 16th, 2009 07:39 PM
Careful in michigan!!! Read closely
Originally Posted by Pro2A
These two paragraphs are from the Mi. state website specifically on drinking,
Paragraphs here, website is below
They make no dicernable exception's if you are out and about, or at home as far as I can read . DRINK AT YOUR OWN RISK
2) An individual shall not carry a concealed pistol while he or she is under the influence of alcoholic liquor or a controlled substance or while having a bodily alcohol content prohibited under this section. A person who violates this section is responsible for a state civil infraction or guilty of a crime as follows:
(a) If the person was under the influence of alcoholic liquor or a controlled substance or a combination of alcoholic liquor and a controlled substance, or had a bodily alcohol content of .10 or more grams per 100 milliliters of blood, per 210 liters of breath, or per 67 milliliters of urine, the individual is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 93 days or $100.00, or both. The court shall order the concealed weapon licensing board that issued the individual a license to carry a concealed pistol to permanently revoke the license. The concealed weapon licensing board shall permanently revoke the license as ordered by the court.
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Michigan Legislature - Section 28.425k
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December 16th, 2009 07:39 PM
December 16th, 2009 07:59 PM
The scenario makes it much easier to argue, that his perception of reality was distorted. IF there are conflicting stories, his will be less believed. So, if anything falls into the gray area, he's more likely in my mind to end up on the wrong end of it legally.... as his capacity and judgement could be questioned.
I don't drink, so I don't have that issue.
December 16th, 2009 10:03 PM
I'm not worried about having a few beers and shooting a home invader (threatening my life), but I'd be concerned about not being able to 'double tap' the heart, followed up by one to the skull. I might have to use an extra mag.
Don't break into my home...regardless of what I'm doing.
Last edited by RETSUPT99; December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 PM.
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December 16th, 2009 10:44 PM
What do you do when someone breaks in??
Originally Posted by psychophipps
December 16th, 2009 11:46 PM
If you are a normal person, your thoughts about what the law is at that point is time is completely irrelevant.
Originally Posted by Impulse138
However, if you have reservations about defending your home to the extent that you first must know the law, then you should drink only one beer, and call it quits for the night.
However, if you must persist in knowing what the law is under these circumstances, I will tell you: THE LAW IS - The law of the jungle -- kill the SOB, and you can figure out the law later.
Live every day so that you can, with a clear conscience, look all men in their eyes and tell them to go to hell.
December 17th, 2009 01:34 PM
I work very long hours at my employment, and receive very good eval's and raises. Also like to have a few when I get home to reflect and chat with my wife. If someone comes in on us I'm like a sow bear with cubs. My judgement is not impaired EVER. I will defend mine, period. And I repeat not judgement impaired. I have had an incident occur recently that I will share with you folks later.
December 17th, 2009 01:44 PM
Remember...you have the right to remain silent. That right pertains to both the BG and the victim. You have the right to not incriminate yourself by giving a statement. You have the right to an attorney BEFORE any questioning. The Miranda warning is clear "any statement can and will be used against you in court" it says nothing about a statement being used FOR you in court.. Be careful and do not fall prey to being talked into "doing the right thing" or being told "if you are innocent, you have nothing to worry about". Give a statement after only talking to YOUR attorney.
December 17th, 2009 02:23 PM
"Button your lip" and let the circumstances speak for themselves. Keep your statements short and direct. NEVER VOLUNTEER ANY INFORMATION! Speak ONLY after consulting your attorney.
December 17th, 2009 02:43 PM
I agree with 'dukalmighty'. I believe that any attack into your home is defensible.
Citizens are not expected to know when an attack may happen. Of course, some attorney would likely contend that you didn’t take reasonable measures to secure your home from forcible entry, so just hope you're not living in San Francisco if it happens.
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December 17th, 2009 10:33 PM
The BAC laws in MN only apply to the permit to carry. The PTC is not required on your own property. So, it really comes down to whether it was a good shoot or not. This is pretty easy to satisfy in a home invasion situation.
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December 18th, 2009 03:48 PM
All of which gets harder to ensure for yourself, if you're intoxicated and not quite in charge of your own faculties and judgment. Another point against, clearly.
Originally Posted by crankshop1000
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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December 18th, 2009 05:35 PM
It can only complicate things!! 1 drink maybe 2 in the course of a few hours, ok. if you are sauced out of your mind, it coould get ugly no matter how right you were!
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December 18th, 2009 08:53 PM
at Home drinking?
Whatever you are doing in your own home does not negate your right to life, nor does it give the right to rob, rape or kill you or your family to evil people.
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December 19th, 2009 01:19 AM
I would stab them instead. Keep in mind that my idea of "A wild night out" is a first beer.
Originally Posted by rljohns
December 19th, 2009 01:43 AM
Detective: "Hey... this guy with the crowbar and flashlite in your hallway is stiff... he's been dead 8 hours... why did you take so long to call...?"
Me: "I wuz drinkin'... I fell asleep. But it's a clean shoot... I don't know him..."
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