What would you do?
This is a discussion on What would you do? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by oneshot
General Provisions of the Act
A person may use deadly force with no duty to retreat if (PA 309):
1. They ...
December 18th, 2009 12:47 PM
Yep I'm in Michigan too, They have already satisfied items 3 and 4, and since I always comply with items 1 and 2, I would feel that drawing might be the only reasonable reaction here. In a mob situation none of them are going to back down unless forced to, it's a matter of pride and since they all ready stated their intent, i would take them at their word.
Originally Posted by oneshot
December 18th, 2009 05:21 PM
i normally dont go to the gun first in many situations but i believe anyone against these kind of odds who is armed would be a fool not to...regardless of your self defense skills you are putting yourself in a less than hopeful situation against multipleattackers...you are potentially exposing yourself to a beating and loss of your firearm once it is discovered...that i itself is a responsibility that must be considered...hmmmm...do i take a shot at fighting these guys and possibly losing my gun...my life and the life of my family due to a miscalculation on my part?...or do i respond with known deadly force and hope it backs enough of them off without too much bloodshed and my family is safe?...
sorry...i think this one is a no brainer...
December 18th, 2009 06:31 PM
Once I begin the draw, if they havent began to run at the motion and first sight of it, they get turned into the M.Es new clientele or the ER docs new projects . Just being honest about it. In this situation there WILL be no warning, I/We are outnumbered and since they havent pulled guns yet I wouldnt know if I/We are out gunned. THIS would fall into my category of Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6. For all you know they may shoot you THEN have their way with the women and kill them too. If someone is committing or attempting to commit a crime, I sure as h*** aint taking their word for ANYTHING, but then again, ya know ALL criminals are honest, just misunderstood.... The law should damn well see it as JUSTIFIABLE defense, and if they dont OH WELL. Id rather be sitting in jail for XX years knowing I saved my wife a daughter from a life of hell-designed nightmares and countless therapy sessions.
Originally Posted by joepa150
BETTER TO BE TRIED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6
Hesitation kills faster than a bullet.
If your head is up your *$$ you are unaware of danger. You are in the perfect position to kiss it goodbye.
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December 18th, 2009 07:36 PM
No warning draw and either empty the clip or wheel.
Thats my plan every time .
December 18th, 2009 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by bladenbullet
Originally Posted by Retiredonce
They will all be sporting a third eye if I have anything to do with it
There won't be much of a discourse before hand.
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December 18th, 2009 07:48 PM
Armed or unarmed, your moral duty trumps all.
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December 18th, 2009 07:49 PM
Kill em, you may pull some time but you will still be a man and can look them in the eye. You leave them to that and you may as well just keep walking.
December 18th, 2009 08:33 PM
Louisiana allows the use of deadly force to stop a forcible felony, I don't necessarily have to prove that I was in fear of death or grave bodily harm. Either way, legality goes out the window in that situation. Do what you have to do to protect your family. If you go to jail for it, at least they are unharmed.
December 19th, 2009 02:07 AM
Reguardless of any law, no matter what state, no matter how much time I could get, im drawing, and loud mouth is taking a lethal dose of lead. Im in fear of there lives the moment the loud mouth finishes his sentence. If the others decided they want to be "hard thugs", or there armed and draw, im clearing a lane for my loved ones to escape through, and THEN im trying to stay alive. Im a very nice guy, and will do anything for anybody. The moment my family is in harms way, im a totally different animal.
December 19th, 2009 12:12 PM
I agree 100%! They have declared their intentions, the instant you begin your draw they know what's coming. If I don't see a$$ holes and elbows by the time the muzzle is up the hammer goes down time and again until I do see em, I am out of ammo, to wounded to stay conscious and fight or dead.
Originally Posted by bladenbullet
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December 19th, 2009 04:58 PM
"They tell you that they are going to satisfy themselves with your wife and daughter and if I sit back and don't try and be a hero we can all walk away alive."
Oh....so they are violent gang rapists but, NOT liars?
They rape women and innocent children but, they always tell the truth.
What would make you think that they would allow any of you to walk away alive?
As far as I'm concerned in that scenario there is only one way to guarantee that your family walks away alive.
And that would be if you win and they lose.
Shoot the ugliest one first.
December 20th, 2009 04:33 PM
I agree with you, I pull and shoot, by giving a warning you are opening up a situation where your wife or daughter can be grabbed and used as a hostage - when the first one is hit the others will normally scatter.
Originally Posted by TerriLi
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December 20th, 2009 04:54 PM
I would be within the law to use my pistol in NC. Also, given the number of assailants, I would be pleased that I decided to get a Glock 26 instead of a snubbie.
December 20th, 2009 05:03 PM
Good plan. I might not get the verbal warning out depending how fast things are going south. I'd also go for the nearest threat.
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December 20th, 2009 05:23 PM
Would anyone seriously sit there and do nothing?
I'd say a good 99.9999% of any of us would at least go down swinging.
Me, I give no warnings, no threats, just gunfire. A lot of gunfire.
I thoroughly disapprove of duels.
If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand
and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.
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