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Two words to solve this conundrum:
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Back in the day (about 20 years ago now) I was an EMT in a bad part of a big city that had a much higher gun violence rate than it does now. We were not allowed to carry firearms or knives on duty. We did carry maglights and heavy clipboards that were sometimes useful for other than their intended purposes.
More importantly, we NEVER got out of the bus if the PD weren't already onscene. In fact we would circle if needed. No lights on inside the ambulance either. We took a couple of potshots to the bus over the years, though it was never clear if it was aimed at us or random. Some wore body armor. I couldn't afford it at the time. Even given all that, I never had a situation where being armed would have been helpful.
Later after I moved to a more suburban setting that was supposedly safer, there was a much lighter police and fire presence for support and we were often alone onscene, and though we never had an issue, I felt more vulnerable, and would have carried if it were at all permissible.
Remember, your most important two assets armed or not will be your SA and your radio.
It was great work, but poorly paid, and tough on the back (we only had the old Ferno model 30 that had to be lifted manually, and of course, only fat people live in 3rd floor walkups). Good luck, stay safe.
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The best medicine in a firefight is lead.
If you shoot, withdraw and call 911.
Any other action you take as a "caregiver" will be used against you by any lawyer worth his salt.
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I was a Paramedic for 10 years - I doubt I would be handling the perp for any purpose post shoot...
my Dad just retired again (71 y.o. deputy/court security/corrections officer) he advised me that unless you can cuff their hands behind their back they may still kill you YMMV but I don't carry cuffs anymore... and do not own a pair. I will call EMS and LEOs (we have moved into town and response is less than a minute now! )
It sounds like I was thinking about the same as most. If involved in a SD shooting I'm most likely to just wait for LEO. Remember this scenario is with me off duty with the family or what not. As an on duty EMT in my area LEO usually responds with us cause they have nothing else to do. So that is a completely different issue.
Thanks for the insight, keep it coming.
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Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
As long as you are off duty I can not imagine that you have a "duty to act" (although states' laws vary). In addition, I would not get near them unless I had a good pair of protective gloves on (I favor P2s) and the prep was unarmed and either cuffed or unconscious. I think that I would be more worried about what I am saying to the police and contacting my lawyer than treating someone who just tried to kill me.
And yes, as was already mentioned, I hope that shot placement will render treatment unnecessary!
Bleeding-heart reporter: “Do you feel that violence begets violence?”
Jeff Cooper: “It is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more than he can enjoy."
Besides, I don't want to have to worry about them healing and then coming back for revenge.
Walk softly ...
I realize that the main thing I have to worry about when on call is scene safety so in that aspect I'm thinking that if I had to draw then he scene is not safe and I should not work the guy I shot. But on the other hand if he is unconsious he can't be much of a threat.
COME ON! havn't you watched all the Friday the Thirteen and Halloween Movies. The bad guy always comes back to life!
Seriously the very aid you are rendering may indeed bring the BG back consious and give him enough strength to grab your gun.
Don't you think he's liable to be a little ticked off because you just shot a hole thru his favorite hoodie?
[QUOTE=NC Bullseye;1417008]If you are involved in a self defense shooting remember:
Any treatment you render may be misconstrued as detrimental if things go bad for the bad guy.
You mean I shouldn't try to remove the bullet with a fire ax?
It was in western PA and there were two LEOs there who retreated past my friend. He did get employed by a hospital-based service after.
You're not going to believe this, but I just met a retired medic working as a dental hygenist who was shot in the line of EMS duty. She was onscene of a domestic and when the cops mentioned arresting the other half a gunfight broke out with her in the middle. I can't verify the story is true but I saw the scars... From what she described, being armed wouldn't have helped her due to the rapidly developing scene. All the responders treated her first, including the LEOs, and the BG was left untreated until after she left on her helicopter ride according to her.
^^^^^ WoW, very good food for thought^^^^^^^
My brother is a firefighter/paramedic, I am having his son show him this thread.
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