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    QK,

    If you spray him you might as well spray yourself in the face too because you will end up in a good roll around on the ground fight anyway.

    The only thing OC is good for is area control in a mob situation and for dealing with barricaded people. In both of those cases you will have time to suit up and be ready.

    In seven years of badge toting, I have seen one instance where a person just gave up upon being sprayed. In every other instance the officer and additional responding officers all got contaminated as well.

    In the one case that it worked, a suspect was cornered in a bathroom and was making threats to the officers involved. The lead officer on scene calmy sprayed the guy and let him deal with the stuff until he was ready to give up and come out.

    At least we keep water in our patrol cars to help decon. If you get into a rough and tumble on the street and get contaminated, it might be a LONG time before you get any water.
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    Worthwhile Addition Combat Effective

    Thanks. Good 1st hand information.
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    We carried Freeze +P when I was on the Sheriff's Dept (they still carry that brand here), and in using it a dozen or more times, it was only ineffective twice. That's not to say that the dirtbag just threw up his hands and complied, but it DID take 99% of the fight out of them. I have caught it in the face when brawling trying to get someone handcuffed and it is no fun. Had to get sprayed in the face with a 1 second burst to get certified to carry it, and it sucked big time!

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    Right on QK
    Why not have another choice? I don't have a leatherman just for the pliers. Lets not forget the duty to retreat in some states. Non lethal force often has different criteria that need to be met than lethal force. I keep a mini 12 gram in my pocket always. It doesn't get in the way. I just bought the brand in my local gun shop for extra CYA. Some places regulate what is legal to possess. You may want to check your local laws before ordering.
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    I carry issued pepper spray as well. It is a good tool to carry and use. but don't let it give you a false sense of security! I have been sprayed with a 1 second burst. It did work well on me ,and I feel confident using it in the field. There are some important things to keep in mind however.
    1. The weather conditions You must be aware of which way the wind is blowing.
    2. It does not work on everyone!!!!! YOU MUST BE PREPARED to spray someone and have him give you a funny look as he keeps coming at you. You must have a plan B in your mind (what do I do if this doesn't work)
    3. Be carefull not to use it when other "good guys" are too close. You will likely contaminate them as well!!!!!

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    Our dept uses punch II i like it better than fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter
    I would not buy or use OC in foam form either.
    Why?
    I carry foam and like the results over stream or fog. I find that I may need to use the OC both in doors and out and the foam allows me to deploy it in any situation without contaminating the entire area. The foam is easier to keep "on target" and avoid affecting the good guys in the area.
    I am wondering what your reasons are for your above statement. Not to start an argument, just wondering if you have some examples or experience with the product where it has failed or had less than desirable results.
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    Just my personal opinion since I mostly carry mine to protect my dog.
    I just want to be able to pinpoint my application more effectively & I am already used to the STREAM mode.
    No reason other than my preference which is why I also do not carry the CONE.

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    This post inspired me to go to j&l and grab a few keychain units. Alot cheaper than i imagined. Bought two and with shipping it came to under thirty. (Could buy the walmart brand for like 8 bucks, but i wouldn't trust it.) Haven't convinced my soon to be wife to get a ccw, so this will offer at least some protection.
    Used to work at a stop and rob. One night a guy would'nt come out of the stall in the bathroom. Turns out he was injecting heroin into his .......well you know. (is that more effective than viagra?) Anyway the state troopers come in every night and eat dinner.(small deli area w/ chairs) I knew the srg. and asked him to check it out. He gave the guy a ultimatum to get out and he failed to do so.
    Soon every cop in the valley was there because they sprayed him with oc. Had to evacuate the store. It took the crazy doped guy about 2 minutes to give up. I just closed up for the night because the air was unbreathable.
    And all 4 of the cops in the bathroom got covered in the oc spray. (Close quarters not a good idea when in a tiny bathroom)
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    Note on keychain units & Fox Labs

    Do not test spray the Fox Labs OC Units. You already paid for pre-testing included in the purchase price.
    They are overfilled during manufacture & units are then tested as final part of the mfg procedure. They will work/spray when you need them.

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    hmm good advice. Ha a "friend" of mine said what the hell is the point of carrying oc spray, its for girls. (He's a big tough guy wanna be from work) He says he can take any spray anyway and it won't even hurt him. He wants me to spray him.........Should I? Interesting field report possibility. I don't know if its a good idea though. Could he press charges or be seriuosly hurt? I know him pretty well, but i don't know if thats enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macattack
    hmm good advice. Ha a "friend" of mine said what the hell is the point of carrying oc spray, its for girls. (He's a big tough guy wanna be from work) He says he can take any spray anyway and it won't even hurt him. He wants me to spray him.........Should I? Interesting field report possibility. I don't know if its a good idea though. Could he press charges or be seriuosly hurt? I know him pretty well, but i don't know if thats enough.
    I would not do it if I were you!

    Tell him to buy his own OC and you will watch him spray himself, or SELL him your can and let him spray himself.

    If you must be involved get a legal waver written up beforehand and have him sign it in the presence of the attorney. Always CYA.

    BTW, if/when he does decide to spray himself, BE SURE TO GET IT ON VIDEO. It will make for an amusing thread, and I am sure all your/his friends would love to watch it over and over again.

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    I just went through a basic combat pistol course this weekend. (Real basic, but it was for a good cause, and the price was cheap too). The instructor (a LEO) impressed me with these three things (besides teaching us how to properly draw and fire our pistols).
    1. For self-defense, anything from at least .380 on up is good. Don't get involved in the 9mm vs. .45 debate. Placement of shot is foremost, size doesn't make that big of a difference. (He backed this up with several examples). This was part of his, "Shoot the caliber that you can shoot best with. If you can't shoot so well with .45, drop down to .40 S&W, or 9mm."

    2. Have a less than lethal option available for those times when you need it, such as Pepper spray. Preferably Fox. (There was another brand mentioned, but I forgot, old age setting in. )

    3. Stay away from keychain pepperspray, it will never be in a convient place to grab it when you need it.

    Anyway, that's what I learned. That, and my 1911 clone bites my hand way too much.

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    yeah the keychains are back ups for the glove compartments.
    I figure that i'll just sell him one and let him do it himself. Although now that other people know about his little boasting he seems less than enthusiastic.
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    I carry the 2oz Fox 5.3 stream with the cop top. I use a generic cell phone holder (motorola) as my oc holder. It stretches to fit the OC, has a clip on belt thingie, and if I need it I just grab the whole thing and lift. The whole case comes with it and there is no screwing around.

    Some people shrug off OC, even Fox 5.3, I've seen it and in training, it is pretty cool. On the street, it sucks and isn't cool. My rule is if the OC comes out, you had better be prepared to step up the level of force and quick. My OC comes out the same time my hand rests on my gun.

    I have sprayed numerous dogs and it worked. I also gave a large dog a two second stream right in the eyes, then it charged me then I dropped it with a few rounds of Double Tap 10mm.

    I have sprayed someone while helping an officer chase him down. My knuckles were injured in the process.
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