This is a discussion on Intentional targeting under stress within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JohnK87 "Aim small, miss small." Great advice from Mel Gibson in "The Patriot." Are you serious?- George BTW great movie...
I don't need no stinkin' practice! I read and study gun magazines and view and listen to action-hero movies. Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris and Jean-Claude VanDamme don't need no guns anyway. Eastwood, Shitslinger, and Stallone went wimpy and sensitive on us.
Why try? I am not a nice guy.
I'm not Wyatt Earp trying to shoot the gun out of his hand. If I hit the arm it's because I was "wide left".
But...I can picture a scenario where comeone could get locked in on the weapon rather than COM.
It's not that i cant make the shot... because I can... but that doesn't stop the threat from, stabbing, shooting, killing, myself or loved one's... COM is the only thing I'm shooting at.
NRA Certified Rifle/Pistol Instructor
Accuracy ALWAYS WINS! So carry what you can hit with.
If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics stink.
Two to the chest, one to the head is the best I can do and will stop the threat. If not, do it again. Center Mass is a large target, the "T' zone will shut off the switch. If you have time to aim at a arm, than the threat is out of the 21 foot rule .Remember it takes 1.6 sec. for the attacker to get to you from 21'. If you have not trained for draw and fire, then you do not know how much time you DO NOT have.
Stress or not with a handgun it is always center of mass. This is how I was trained before I was LEO and the way I was trained in the academy. Now on the other hand give me a good tactical rifle or a scoped bolt gun and I may try depending on how much time I had and how close they were to me. Inside of 30 yds it would always be COM.
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i will not take a chance. i only shoot com.
God Bless our troops,Pass the ammo
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Best I have heard on this and what I think about in my mind to do is: Shoot a bunch into the chest if he doesn't fall down shoot a bunch into the head. He most likely has on a vest.
Wow, seems to be a lot of influence from "stories" that fill the forums. The problem is that lots of times the stuff is urban legends.
In asking on several forums to who knows how many 1000s of people I have only one person who put two to the chest and one to the head. He was young, had not trained to do so, and took a round in the exchange.
Trying to figure out why so much time is being spent on something that has happened so few times. I guess being able to so so on a stationary target on a buzzer makes people feel ready for the world.
I personally know several people who have put rounds into the head of the bad guy using "vertical tracking" or "stitching" whatever you want to call it. And they all had various levels of training.
The whole 21 foot rule has to be the most misunderstood, misquoted, and misused idea in firearms training.
Very early on in training we solved the "people shooting the gun/gun hand mystery". Unless trained otherwise when people pick up a pistol they usually do so with one hand and "point" it. This requires lining up the eyes, gun and perceived threat. As something moves away from you it becomes smaller so your line of sight drops. This puts the pistol in COM of the shooter, either dead on or to the side (more likely when they are moving away). During the fight we focus on the threat, not a part of the threat. We shoot at them. Before our rounds hit the torso they need to get by the hand(s) and arms(s) in front of it. I would say that in FOF about 80% of the first rounds fired during the altercation strike the hands/arms if the attacker is armed with a pistol. If he has an impact or edged weapon the rounds strike the torso. Mystery solved.- George
I've trained for it. On a target range, I seem to be fairly competent at doing it. That's only under simulated, "range" stress, though. The couple of times I've done simulated FOF shooting of attackers hasn't turned out so well. So, I am not going IPSC on a deadly attacker when it counts.
Instead, I am sure it's going to be COM every shot, for as many shots as result in a sufficient number of COM strikes to force him to the ground and keep him there. And if I remember to go after the head during all of that, fine. Anything else is playing roulette, IMO.
"An armed society is a polite society." -- Robert A. Heinlein
I train for COM to stop a fight I have to draw on. You fight the way you train is how I was taught.
Now I get it! Things do go wrong at the worst times.