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    Well here is my $0.02.

    In, Ky I can carry in any portion of a restaurant such as Applebees, and the like, even if they have a bar. Since I don't drink, and won't have any alcohol in my system whatsoever, it would never even be an issue.
    As for the BG's and my captive wife, I dare say he wouldn't be hanging on to just one arm, because she will be screaming her head off, clawing his eyes out with her nails, kicking, biting and doing whatever else she can do to make the experience a very unpleasant one for him.

    More than likely, I would probably end up delaying the now bleeding BG, and friend while covering her retreat.

    In the spirit of responding to the original post, I will presume she has frozen, and the BG is not bleeding, and is still capable of reproduction.

    #1 In that case, and the situation is just as you describe, the first thing I would do after the BG’s buddy stepped closer to me would be a quick assessment of the people seated in the area, while trying to stay out of striking distance.

    If the BG seems to have a bunch of BG buddies with him, my reaction would have to be different than if the two seem to be alone, and getting hostile looks from those in the rest of the room. At the very least it decreases the chances of BG#3 slipping up and taking me out from behind. Getting myself clobbered by multiple BG’s while my wife remains in the clutches of BG#1 won’t do either of us any good.

    #2 Yell for someone to “call 911 and tell them my wife has been kidnaped.”

    After that, it all depends on the BG’s reactions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tegemu
    I'm surprised that by now no one has said, "Let him have her!"
    I was thinking it, you just beat me to saying it. LOL



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    Harry situation and uncomfortable for most. But focus needs to be on talking down the situation. Guy is obviously a scum bag, but it would be YOU in trouble if weapon were drawn (unless somebody else pulled a gun).
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    Deterrance, Avoidance and De-escalation.

    If the poor SOB is still unhurt for touching 4'11" of pure Tennessee hell, I would stand close by and ask in a real loud voice, without aggression, WHY ARE YOU MANHANDLING MY WIFE? And then follow up with something like: Ladies and Gentleman. The gentleman we have here (and I use gentleman with the widest of latitude) seems to think it is sexy to grab a woman and try to do a caveman act on her. As you can see the gentleman does resemble a caveman............"

    I would basically embarras the hell out of him. Nothing like a whole bunch of eyes trained on you when you don't want them to cool your heels in a hurry.
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    Someone grabs my girlfriend of one of my kids , I feel sorry for em , cause 1 way or another they will not be walking away.
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    Well, for one, I ALWAYS have two knives and OC on me. I would command BG1 to let go of my wife. Non compliance means quick OC to BG1 with weak hand and strong hand near weapon. As BG1 rears back to avoid onslaught of OC, wife will hopefully break free, and I will OC BG2. H2H might be warranted and if needed, the first strike is brachial nerve stun. I have used this on more than one occassion and in all cases, said BG dropped instantly. Punching someone with a fist puts you at a disadvantage because there is great risk of damaging your hand, thus putting yourself in jepardy of being unable to fully defend yourself.

    As far as marial arts goes, the only disipline I know is Klik-Pao.
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    Exclamation Gotta agree with P95

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargoyle357
    Ok, this kept eating at me so I have to comment. If somebody grabs my wife and is holding her against her will my civil obligation to remain polite has gone out the window. I'm not asking them to please release my wife, I'm telling them to back the F off.
    I've got to agree with Chris here. The bozos are drunk. Escalating the situation just ramps up their endorphins and they might not feel your strike. If you HAVE to shoot only the cranio-ocular shot will work instantly. Even a heart shot that blows away half the organ will require hydraulic failure if he's messed up on alcohol or drugs.

    Myself, I want my calm sooooothing voice to lower his reaction time and put him to sleep and prolly lull his buddy into thinking I'm a wimp.

    Because of the skewed response to firing nerves, a drunk is easier to handle than a punk trying a deliberate crime. But it's harder to reason with a drunk.

    It's also a tougher thing to go for nerve damage (pressure points) or a joint lock.

    The best I can think of short of the draw, is a bilateral rupture of the eardrum (cupping your hands and slamming them together over his ears) OR rapidly denying him access to AIR (like a throat/adams apple strike, but soft enough to NOT be fatal -- and that takes control).

    Well, I guess you could break an arm and then wiggle the busted limb causing the compound fracture and nerve damage. THAT kind of pain should instantly penetrate the fog of alcohol! It would be loud and bloody enough to discourage the buddy from getting a taste....maybe.
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    Exclamation Click Pow!

    Quote Originally Posted by freakshow10mm
    As far as marial arts goes, the only disipline I know is Klik-Pao.
    It took me awhile to "get" this...but I LOVE it! I'm stealing it for an e-mail signature....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    I've got to agree with Chris here. The bozos are drunk. Escalating the situation just ramps up their endorphins and they might not feel your strike. If you HAVE to shoot only the cranio-ocular shot will work instantly. Even a heart shot that blows away half the organ will require hydraulic failure if he's messed up on alcohol or drugs.

    Myself, I want my calm sooooothing voice to lower his reaction time and put him to sleep and prolly lull his buddy into thinking I'm a wimp.

    Because of the skewed response to firing nerves, a drunk is easier to handle than a punk trying a deliberate crime. But it's harder to reason with a drunk.

    It's also a tougher thing to go for nerve damage (pressure points) or a joint lock.

    The best I can think of short of the draw, is a bilateral rupture of the eardrum (cupping your hands and slamming them together over his ears) OR rapidly denying him access to AIR (like a throat/adams apple strike, but soft enough to NOT be fatal -- and that takes control).

    Well, I guess you could break an arm and then wiggle the busted limb causing the compound fracture and nerve damage. THAT kind of pain should instantly penetrate the fog of alcohol! It would be loud and bloody enough to discourage the buddy from getting a taste....maybe.

    Food for thought?...

    Dude's gonna let you do all that?

    Remember: "The enemy gets a vote too"

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    Does him refusing to let her go qualify as kidnapping (in my mind it does, but legally)?

    In my state that makes it okay for me to use deadly force. I hope it does qualify as that because that's what I'd want to use if anyone touched my fiance. I imagine it will only get worse once she's my wife.

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    Talking I'll bet he votes to BREATHE

    Quote Originally Posted by Weeg
    Food for thought?...

    Dude's gonna let you do all that?

    Remember: "The enemy gets a vote too"

    rw
    When I first got out of the army all those years ago, for six months, all I did was live off my savings and sit on the stern of my buddy's sailboat (46' ketch) and drink beer while letting my hair grow. After that I held several jobs as "Bar Security" in several upscale private clubs in the area of Coconut Grove. This was the era of Miami Vice & the so called cocaine cowboys. All those clubs were just private spots for dealers and their babes and upscale customers, including their attorneys. I worked with a staff of other bouncers but they only came into play when there were multiple problems at once....like guys from "different crews" with sharp elbows and always we were able to talk 'em down. Having their lawyer right there was a help, too. I always bought rounds of drinks for those bottomfeeders....

    But I discovered real fast that the drunk guy, while he doesn't feel pain also has lousy reactions and rarely sees the sucker punch. If he's concentrating on my wife or on something else, then won't notice the situation until he can't breathe (then he'll start to reflex puke all the booze) or until the pain from the damaged arm and nerves breaks thru. I speak from experience. Yeah it was 1985, but human anatomy & reactions (especially in drunks) doesn't really evolve over that time period. Of course, I'm OLDER too....one might notice not unkindly. Older is wiser in my case. I'm not inclined to half measures and so I might not hold the throat strike too much. But it WILL work and requires very little strength to collapse the windpipe. If you're close enough to touch, why pull a gun? Yeah, he gets a "vote." I'll bet he "votes" to BREATHE.

    But neither my wife or myself drink. We do go to the restaurants that have a bar in the separate area. Have never had a problem like THAT.

    I'm always carrying in such an establishment. OH and most of them have an off duty LEO as security. They REALLY DON'T play!
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    By the way...

    Quote Originally Posted by Weeg
    Dude's gonna let you do all that?
    All what? I'm speaking of about three different strikes, two of which require not even full extension (or windup) and the intros are innocous. Even breaking the elbow is taking the limb in an unsual direction initially where it takes the subject out of his "center" and moves him very off balance and thus much weaker. Small circle movements means greater power delivered. At least thats been my experience.

    My wife won't eactly be passive, either. His head get's close enough to hers and she'll forehead butt his nose with spectacular results.

    She also knows that if I draw she is to move her head as far away from his as possible and that a warm wet splash on her cheek right after the LOUD BANG is nothing to worry about.
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    Realx...Breathe...


    Just food for thought...BG gets a vote too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeg
    Realx...Breathe...


    Just food for thought...BG gets a vote too.




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    Drunks is drunks, and if he and his buddy are really drunk, they are extremely predictable. I've seen lots of drunks. I've seen PD take some of them down pretty hard. Drunks don't vote. From a LE friend-"the rule with drunks is": they don't move after you hit them. If they do, you hit them harder(not real common). If they are fast enough to avoid the full hit, they aren't drunk.

    Kind of a self-regulating feature of a real bad-a** (the guys that do vote)is that they aren't the ones who would lose control like this, in public. They don't need, or want, the attention. The mean drunk has to put a significant amount of effort into his immediate activity- you can get at least one good whack in before he knows you're there. If you can't take out a drunk, your wife needs to escort you to the bathroom.

    If they aren't drunk, you have some really deviant A-holes, and you need to just plan on painting a wall a Jackson Pollock pattern of Gray-Red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72
    Drunks is drunks, and if he and his buddy are really drunk, they are extremely predictable. I've seen lots of drunks. I've seen PD take some of them down pretty hard. Drunks don't vote. From a LE friend-"the rule with drunks is": they don't move after you hit them. If they do, you hit them harder(not real common). If they are fast enough to avoid the full hit, they aren't drunk.

    Kind of a self-regulating feature of a real bad-a** (the guys that do vote)is that they aren't the ones who would lose control like this, in public. They don't need, or want, the attention. The mean drunk has to put a significant amount of effort into his immediate activity- you can get at least one good whack in before he knows you're there. If you can't take out a drunk, your wife needs to escort you to the bathroom.

    If they aren't drunk, you have some really deviant A-holes, and you need to just plan on painting a wall a Jackson Pollock pattern of Gray-Red.

    Just pointing out that it is dangerous to assume all th emoves you play through in your head are going to work.

    One of the laws of combat: "The enemy gets a vote"

    Another one: "The best laid plans never survive first contact with the enemy."

    Sorry to rain on your parade


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