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My CCW Shooting Encounter AAR - AR15.COM
This is a discussion on CCW Shooting within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; This is the only place I could think to start this thread. I found the link for it on another forum and I think EVERYONE ...
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This is the only place I could think to start this thread. I found the link for it on another forum and I think EVERYONE here should read it
My CCW Shooting Encounter AAR - AR15.COM
Further searching stated that the permit holder's shot took off the dirtbags hand, and I assume that they did catch him...it doesn't really give a summary of that...
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Lots a words, I'm not sure I get the point. Sorry, maybe too much Cab/Merlot. It justed sounded like talking for the sake of talking. Can you boil it down a little for me?
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This happend really close to me...I never heard of it happening...
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news article from one of the links to the story
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Maybe Im off, and i dont know the laws where that guy was. but... isnt it illegal to have a gun in your posessition while drinking..
not that what he did wasnt a great thing, but maybe the bad guy could use that against him... hope im wrong
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I think he usually drank, but didn't on this occasion. I don't know for sure, but that's what it seemed like from his story and the lack of mentioning from the article.
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Wow - that is an intense story. Basically he unholstered his 1911 and then exchanged shots with a robber at point-blank range (who had a revolver.) Both were hit. Then the robber runs to the door. He clears a jam and then realizes he's been hit in the hands - which causes him not to be able to engage the grip safety well. Then they trade some more shots and the robber runs out of ammo.
They both lived and he stopped the robbery and who knows what else the robber was going to do.
Lessons learned from this:
- carry with one in the chamber
- practice in non-traditional positions (maybe with a laser?)
- prepare to shoot at really close ranges
- think about what to do if you can't use one hand
- grip safeties might be hard to use if your hand is injured
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interesting read. my favorite ranges don't allow for holster draws. Something we should all practice regularly.
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Mine doesn't either. I practice sort of a bench draw. Lay the firearm on the bench, safety on, pick it up, disengage safety and fire.Originally Posted by Angry Bill
Not an exact duplication of a holster draw, but similar.
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You can practice draw and fire at home with snap caps. Use your normal carry rig, and NO LIVE AMMO anywhere near you. Do it with everything from T-shirts to coats.
The guy did good, he survived an assault where the bad guy had the gun out and pointed at him and his friends while he was still holstered.
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I don't have any experience with snap caps.. are they as loud as regular bullets? And where can you usually find them?
Quickest and most effective shot for the good guy is when the bad guy is at five o'clock, to hold the right arm akimbo with the pistol upside down and fire point blank into the upper-leg, lower torso of the bad guy. Then move toward 11 o'clock while turning and firing. Some guns won't fire if the muzzle is pushed point blank into a hard object like a belt buckle, bag of loot, another weapon, etc.He... told me to get up. He decided to assist me by grabbing onto my jacket with his left hand and pull me up. As I pushed myself up as well, I slid my hands under my chest to grab my pistol.
When he pulled me up, he was at my 5 O'clock position. I was still trying to keep him from seeing my gun until I was able to turn into him, so when I came up, I basically had my right hand (holding the pistol) tight to my stomach/chest with the muzzle pointed in the direction of my left shoulder. I don't know why I did that, except to conceal it and maybe so he couldn't take it away from me. I started turning to my right, into him, flipping the safety at some point along the way. He either saw the gun or heard the safety click as I had turned into him enough for him to be at my 3 O'clock and shoved his revolver inside my open jacket against my stomach and fired the first round. Luckily, his angle was off and it only grazed my stomach. Unluckily, I had my left hand tucked against my left side and the round passed through my palm and out the base of my thumb at my wrist.
I continued turning toward him while lowering my pistol to return fire, which evidently put the right hand directly in the line of fire as he squeezed off another round.
The good guy did well to get as far as he did.
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Here is an additional related thread
CCW Holder in Shooting Used a DW CBOB - 1911Forum
both this and the original are worth reading, as well as a follow up by LEO and .mil as to their experiences.
The OP had not had any formal defensive firearms training. He is planning to do this now as soon as he heals. While I applaud this, I would also suggest hand to hand/knife etc. In the very close range with the BG at 5 o'clock, a non-firearms related strategy may have prevented anyone getting shot.
In addition it underscores the value of deep concealment. Part of the reason the situation escalated was the BG finding the victims empty holster (he had drawn and was hiding his gun at that point). Again it may have been just a simple robbery had the BG not suspected a firearm in the vicinity.
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