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    Three Seattle bus guards watched brutal beating - USATODAY.com

    It sometimes overwhelms me that we've become such a litigious society that we refrain from not only doing good, but preventing evil.
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    Just exactly what do bus guards, guard? Their lunches?
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    I understand people sticking to policy and following orders. But there should be a point when you put your personal values over possible repercussions. This situation qualifies, also, I think the confiscation of firearms during Katrina, is a good example. Duty to an organization or government only goes so far, when it is superseded by a higher Duty.
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    Fascinating. Per the report, the punks are in the tunnel, bus property. I must wonder what caliber of personnel fill the ranks of 'bus security guards'.

    The manager was quoted as stating that policy will be revised. DUUUH!


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    now a days society doesnt care what the "right" thing to do people are more worried about "what would happen to ME" if i stepped in and helped. this is one of those situations if it were just a fight between one girl and another then yes i agree stay back call for help but do nothing, but when its 10 to 1 thats outrageous someone should have stepped in even if its just something as simple as "HEY BACK OFF". "Metro Transit General Manager says it's revising its policy that guards only "observe and report" problems."

    Now heres a question for you had it been one of your kids that this happend to you would you stick to that policy OR would you have done something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looney View Post
    Now heres a question for you had it been one of your kids that this happend to you would you stick to that policy OR would you have done something.
    That's why I put this out there. We often discuss here (and with good reason) why prudence is often the better part of valor in evaluating situations. However, I also see comments where some folks have had their eyes opened so wide that they become adamant to never help anyone but themselves.

    Every event will be specific to the situation and require good judgement. However I don't think there is so fine a line between vigilantism and doing what's right. God gave most of us good common sense. Some day you may hear about me getting burned for taking appropriate action. So be it.
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    I saw that...it was horrible. As a bystander, I would have interceded (even for strangers) AND bitched the hell out of the guards after and reported them. (And no, my gun would not have made an appearance)
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    No gun necessary.

    Another good example of where a can of OC/CS would be quite useful so as to disperse the attackers.

    Terrible that not just one but three adults would stand by and watch a child being beaten by a mob.
    Policy is policy but sometimes you have to use your noodle. This is human life not some guy running off with sticker priced property.

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    even if something were to happen to me legally or physically its hard for me to just stand by and watch as someone becomes a victim yes i know the right thing to do is call 911 but making a call can only help someone so far. A lot can happen from the time the calls been placed and then cops actually arrive on scene anyone and everyone can flame me for saying this all they want but i personally CAN NOT AND WILL NOT sit back and watch someone become a victim when i know deep down i couldve done something.

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    True - likely no gun necessary.

    However if you insert yourself into an event, you must be prepared if things escalate. Some cc'ers might avoid the event in order to avoid possible escalation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    No gun necessary.

    Another good example of where a can of OC/CS would be quite useful so as to disperse the attackers.

    Terrible that not just one but three adults would stand by and watch a child being beaten by a mob.
    Policy is policy but sometimes you have to use your noodle. This is human life not some guy running off with sticker priced property.

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    It broke my heart when it showed the victim go right up to the guards and stand as close as possible to them, even asked them something (for help, probably).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    It broke my heart when it showed the victim go right up to the guards and stand as close as possible to them, even asked them something (for help, probably).
    Wow. The video wasn't working when I originally posted this - I just saw it. About all the guards did was refrain from participating. 'Like you said - just heart-breaking.
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    so they've arrested 4 out of the 10 people involved. what happened to the security guards? was anything said or done to them? I really wouldnt be surprised if the parents didnt get involved legally

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    Looney, the security company is 'reconsidering' their policy of 'watch and report.' They interviewed the company owner. So far, no mention of any actions against the guards, as they were supposedly, doing their jobs correctly
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    It sometimes overwhelms me that we've become such a litigious society that we refrain from not only doing good, but preventing evil.
    Yup.

    The lesson to be learned is: all that's required in order to gain some 200 million good Samaritans is to relax the laws, shield the person who does/attempts acts of decency and kindness, disallowing the aggressive legal jeopardy that occurs when you stick your hand out to help another. Do that, and we'll all benefit. Until then, we are reaping what has been sown.
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