Folks, it finally happened.....I pulled my gun this afternoon in self-defense!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post

    First hint of trouble was the way they pulled up 90 degrees. Can't blame you for not having that register, but that might have been a good time to get in the truck and drive off. You knew something wasn't right at that point.
    +1 I would've been outa there. Especially since there were more available bays. So you know they weren't just waiting.

    Glad you're safe and glad you chose to carry your extra today.
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    Glad you've calmed down a bit and I'll second the motion about having a cocktail. I'm sure your stress level is off the hook so take some time alone and relax and focus on something to take you ''away'' from the situation.

    I think you did a good job for what it's worth. I agree that turning you back to them my have brought on an ill-fated ending to the story.
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    Thanks for the update! Take care!
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    Bruce,

    Glad you ar OK. Looks to me like you did everything right, and I'm glad the would-be robbery took the hint and you didn't have to shoot him.

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    Thanks for sharing with us your harrowing experience. May none of us here ever experience what you went through. May we all be made more S A by your detailed unfolding of the event and the gut wrenching feelings that followed.
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    Bruce,

    Thanks for the story. I don't consider much how I'd feel after presenting my weapon. Great food for thought.

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    Thumbs up

    Bruce, kudos for surviving what was a direct threat on your life in this world. Welcome to the club.


    Quote Originally Posted by bruce21b View Post
    ... and whenever i see a post where someone says "i pulled my gun on somebody" i have to admit im a bit skeptical...
    Yeah, well. Scat happens. More than you know.

    The indicators were clear:
    • Empty business, with a lone truck besides you.
    • Tinted windows, so you could not see the occupant(s).
    • 5mins delay, and longer, waiting for whatever.
    • Suspicious movements and mannerisms on the part of the attacker, as he approaches.
    • Hands in pockets.
    • Quick glancing around, and behind him back to the truck.
    • You see two more people in the truck.
    • In response to your refusal to help him, he responds with: "I think you are lying to me, i hate when people lie to me...and i think you're gonna give me what i want."
    • He simultaneously pulls a knife, and you hear it "click" in prep to cut you.


    THAT, my friend, is a textbook case of aggravated assault and armed robbery. Time to get it out of reverse ... RIGHT BLOODY NOW!!! You knew that. And you did that.


    i don't even remember pulling my gun out... I am screaming "Get the F away from me with that knife or i will kill you"...
    And that's about how it comes. Whenever such a situation occurs, you had damned well better be sudden, assertive as hell, and brutally direct in your intentions to guard your life to the degree necessary. Tell him what you think, concisely. Just as you did. Make it clear that the felon needs to rethink and exit, or be stopped and put down.

    Don't ever forget, the other supporting crew/thugs/felons are still out there, waiting to support him in taking your life. You need to be aware of and guard against that possibility.

    Time to get some good, healthy force-on-force training to simulate these situations. With a bit of focused training, you should handle them with a bit less stress. It'll never be stress-free, but you'll know the signs, you'll maintain your breathing, you'll know that you can work through that big ugly chemical dump surging through your body.


    my hands were shaking in the truck so bad i could not even dial my phone.
    If you got a good description of the armed robber, his cohorts, the truck, now's time to speak with the police in some detail, if you haven't already.


    something told me to carry today, i think God told me to.
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    Realize this: YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. You were highly responsible; you waited until any reasonable person would have called it "armed robbery"; and you only did as much as was required to terminate the situation. Kudos!!

    You were not the felon, here. You were protecting your life from direct threat. The robbers had you in their sights. They thought that you were prey. You have trained just enough, thought through such situations just enough, to be able to respond at the moment necessary in an assertive, powerful manner so that death wouldn't come any closer. You showed that your life was not up for negotiation. You learned the practical difference between the "human" and "felon." Hard to fault the steps you took.

    BTDT.

    You survived it. You thwarted the attack. You're alive. Nobody died. And you went home that night. Success, by any standard.


    my sisiter and nephews are over here with me trying to calm me down, and typing thes out of what happened to me today is something i needed to do.
    Do whatever you need in order to get back to what's real. Your family loves you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    First hint of trouble was the way they pulled up 90 degrees.
    Yup. Bruce, you knew things were possibly brewing, then. Nothing good, for you, can come of such a thing. When you're alone in a spot where you cannot gauge the situation, and something like this happens, consider leaving. No car wash is worth the price of going through what you did.


    Suggestions ... and I mean well by these points:

    • Call the police now. Describe to them everything you can remember, about the time, location, situation, the truck, the felon, the two supporting "thugs," the things that were said, description of the knife/clothing/etc, and whatever else you can recall.
    • License plate of the truck -- It would have been great to get this, but it's not surprising that the situation didn't exactly whip out a pad and pencil for you at the opportune moment. No worries. You certainly had more important things to deal with at the time.
    • If faced with similar leading indicators, in future, consider leaving immediately, on the off-chance that it could well turn into such a thing. Why? Because you'll never know. The last thing you want to do is wait until it's too late. You can always wash your car elsewhere, or tomorrow.
    • Beware of the supporting thugs, the support crew, others who might be in on it. That could pose a severe threat to your life, in such a situation. Where were those other two, at that moment? Still in the truck? Are you certain?
    • If ever this type of thing occurs again, call the police. Why? Because you are, quite simply, a "man with a gun" at that moment. The last thing you want is to be cuffed-and-stuffed due to the stupidity of someone else calling in those words and little else.
    • On the off-chance this might be a robbery brewing, in future, always keep distance from such people as you see things brewing. Distance is your friend. Think how badly things could have gone, had the felon been 5ft away.
    • If you do not have a competent attorney lined up who is in your corner to assist in situations like this, get one. Start asking around, finding competent ones in the area of defending the self-defense case, affirmative-defense cases, with a successful track record.
    • When others suggest to you how unlikely it is you'll ever need a firearm, just know this: while the odds of being in a situation may be 1,000,000:1 or worse, they were 100% today. And you'll never know how likely it will be, on a given day.
    • Anytime, anywhere. Always be armed. Always.



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    Grady, I know I don't type very tactfully. I wasn't trying to take a stab at what you were saying, because your point is very valid. I was trying to express my feelings about what my natural actions would have been had I been in that situation. I probably would have felt a little on edge, wondering why that truck was parked there, but I would have went about my business. Not because I feel tough, but because of who I am and where I've been decrease my sensitivity to shady folks hanging around while I'm in public. I don't think I would have been so freaked out that I would have left the car wash. The OP is probably replaying this episode over and over in his mind, thinking about how he could have done things better. I don't think he could have done anything differently, and I also feel that he was highly responsible in his actions.
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    I just had some questions:

    Is it in a bad part of town?

    Have you ever been there before?

    Once you spotted them and thought something was up did you ever take your eyes off of them?

    I ask because I have thought numerous times that this could happen to me and want to use it for future reference.

    My buddy owns a car wash and since he installed cameras and signs stating so he said the crime has gone down 50-60%. Might check and see if the carwash has cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    And that's about how it comes. Whenever such a situation occurs, you had damned well better be sudden, assertive as hell, and brutally direct in your intentions to guard your life to the degree necessary. Tell him what you think, concisely. Just as you did. Make it clear that the felon needs to rethink and exit, or be stopped and put down.
    ^^What he said^^

    Glad you're okay.

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    Bruce, I'm glad your alright and those nerves will calm down, let them run their course brother. Good job partner.
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    You did great, and it's good to hear the LEO was understanding that you did what you had to do. I live in Lexington and know the range, the road and which car wash you're referring to. I've dined at the sandwich place next door a time or two.

    I read your post to my wife to show her the anytime, anyplace aspect of a SD situation. She carries sometimes but not always.

    Well done, I'm glad to hear that you are safe and maybe God did whisper in your ear to take the other Glock along. Hope the police catch the guys, though after meeting you they may re-think their career choices.

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    Hang in there Bruce, good job. The nauseous feeling is from the adreneline dump.....it'll be gone after you get some sleep tonite (yeah, you will eventually ;-) )
    Fortune favors the bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    First hint of trouble was the way they pulled up 90 degrees. .
    And that the other bays were open. That would have convinced me to leave.

    But noticing it put you on guard....and you were ready.
    Fortune favors the bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    ... I think they wanted your truck....
    I agree with Hopyard: they let you finish washing it for them.

    Bravo for how you handled it, and how you're handling it now. Hope I can spot problems like this early, as Grady and others suggested, but if I am attacked I hope I can handle it as well as you did.

    Thanks for posting this.
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