This is a discussion on C'mon people, really? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; My reply to the original thead: The gun is for my protection. In the given scenario I might have acted, but pulling the trigger is ...
My reply to the original thead:
The gun is for my protection. In the given scenario I might have acted, but pulling the trigger is the absolute last thing on the list, for the obvious reasons. Many things can be explained, but bullets once in flight are out of your control. Classic case of being right and wrong all at the same time. And trust me, if you had shot, when that bit of malodorous news hits the airwaves, you are screwed. "Man shoots father as daughter watches" is a no-winner.
"Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18
Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
let me add, if he is beating, intervene YES but spanking NO
Don't do things you don't want to explain to the Paramedics!
Stupidity should be painful.
First, I'm going to get the make, model and license # and color and description of the man and girl and I'm going to get to my vehicle and try and keep the vehicle in sight if not, see which way the other kid rann and find her and see what she has to say (shed that light on this story) and either resolve it or confirm my fears.
If they pull up to a house, I'll inform the cops and let them handle the situation from there, I won't automatically assume that it's the kids house (you never know).
"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
Carrying a weapon does not always equate to drawing a weapon. Obtaining lic. plate number and calling 911 would be the proper course of action in my book. I always think of my CCW as the very last resort to personal or family protection
"A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington
Your Instructor obviously didn't do well in getting thru to you! As stated above by others,YOU have no Idea if this is a family member,your actions are all based on assumptions,and you could very well be sitting in Jail on murder charges not to mention tarnishing the reputation of other CC people.
It's the people like this,that once they get a CC permit,they think all of a sudden it gives them the opportunity to be a off duty Cop that get's my goat.THINK before you ACT if you can't give up your CC permit. Carrying is a big responsibility,don't let the fact that you do make your head so big you forget that!
As I posted on the original thread: So many conceal carriers scare the hell out of me.
Anyone keeping their wits about them should handle this right. Many have said, as I did, from the start I was thinking father. Yes, I maybe went beyond with using the threat of force in finding out the situation. I'm happy to defend myself against a brandishing charge instead of murder charge in this aftermath. Many of you are right as to the wha ifs, if the father had a weapon. Another point I made is why wouldnt you be screaming at the othr girl, asking what's going on. She would have told you it was the father.
Anyone who thinks shooting is justified when witnessing this, with these facts or lack thereof, should be turning in their permit. These are the people who will get all our rights taken away!
i keep mine in a baby food jar...takes up less space in the wifes sock drawer...
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That's really the point. A clear majority would not have seen this as a child abduction. The friend isn't acting up as if her friend was just nabbed off the street. Don't know if the child in the truck could be seen, how was she acting?
The OP of this thread talks about people losing their stones. What this really is about is all the people out there that have some cop mentality because they are permitted to conceal their handgun.
There wer a number of actions that a reasonable person would take within the few seconds of having to act here. As I said, yelling at the friend "who is that, what's going on", getting father to stop w/o brandishing, etc.
Simply put, some people here would have murdered the father due to not knowing or trying to find out what was going on. Just unbelievable.
Though, to be fair, consider how close to an abduction this type of situation really seems, and what our responses might be in something we 99% believed was a clear abduction. Now, imagine that abduction was of a 6yr old child.
In a civil world, our community (via the statutes) would recognize the sanity of stopping such a situation from resulting in the taking of the "child," instead first determining the nature of the situation before allowing the child to disappear. But given how our society dissuades people from interfering in the business of other citizens, such involvement can be extremely expensive. Given the knee-jerk response deemed appropriate by so many, today, it can get deadly dangerous at the drop of a hat. I'm sure that's what the poster was describing, when referencing "stones."
Strapping on a life-saving defensive tool requires cinching up (sharpening and improving) one's mental capacities for the duration, not the opposite.
What do you think the father's "perception" is going to be when he sees an armed, strange man running at his vehicle ( the one W/ his child in it)? Any reasonable person would assume you were a car jackerOriginally posted by havegunjoeIdea considering what was seen going down. I would have been running toward him, gun out shouting to let her go. I would not have been in trouble for that as my "perception" was of a child abduction. Anyone would have thought the same thing.
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
And Shepards we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee,
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, So that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command,
And we shall flow a river forth to Thee, And teeming with souls shall it ever be,