What if?

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    What if?

    I don't know if this has been done before or not.

    Say you and a friend that doesn't have a ccw are in a resteraunt or bank or something, and you notice BG's with masks or something coming in. You have your EDC + a BUG. You know your buddy is a good shot and can use your BUG. What would the legal implications of passing your BUG to your buddy be, and would you do it?
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    Im not giving my gun to him, and i am not shooting unless it breaks down into a hostage situation or something like that.
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    Tough one, I would think if you handed over your BUG your buddy might get in trouble for having a gun w/o a license to carry. If everything turned out OK with the heist then he, and you, may get a pass.

    I'd sit tight and hang on to both guns, IMO, and play the cards that are delt me.
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    I'm keeping both guns on me. If it comes to a shooting situation and my primary fails, I'll want my BUG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I'm keeping both guns on me. If it comes to a shooting situation and my primary fails, I'll want my BUG.
    This is just what I believe I would do.
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    I don't think I would arm my friend in that situation, and really, if they're just there to rob the place and leave they would probably stay holstered. No need to risk your life over someone else's (probably insured) money.

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    if it was only a robbery I would keep my options holstered and become the smallest target I could. Banks and resteraunts are insured for loss and their money is not worth the lives of myself or my friend. Now if it came down to an active shooter I would respond because when the bullets are already flying nothing is garunteed and I am going to fight for my life. I would arm my friend and he would become my battle buddy.

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    With my luck, I'd give my gun to someone who doesn't carry (how safe will he/she be?), and get shot with my own weapon in all the excitement. I'll keep my own weapons...
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    I say, pick better friends... ones who do take their personal safety seriously. That'll help avoid those deep philosophical arguments with yourself when the SHTF.
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    That'll help avoid those deep philosophical arguments with yourself when the SHTF.
    i whould hope classical philosophy if you are going to do that.

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    All of my friends carry glocks (and usually with a spare mag) and we train regularly, so the BG would have picked the wrong bank that day (should he choose to turn this into a hostage situation).

    I'm not shooting over the banks FDIC insured money though. I will shoot over my life being in danger.

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    One of the reasons I carry a second or third gun is to arm a qualified, but unarmed, individual.

    I would have to give serious consideration to arming my friend. If things went south, and I knew my friend to be "qualified" I'd much rather give the badguys two targets to aim at than just me alone. Also, two against X number of badguys is better than one against the same number of badguys.

    My wife shoot better than I do and her preferred platform is a Glock 19 at this time. Therefore I carry a 19 and a 26 as she very seldom carries. I can arm her if the situation dictates, or she can pick up my gun and finish the fight if needed.

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    It depends on your State laws.
    Here in MI it would be legal as there is no permit required to OC.
    The shoot/don't shoot case is something else entirely, until I'm there, it's impossible to say.
    For me there are only two people I know I would hand my gun off to, my husband and my father, which likely wouldn't be necessary, unless they had a mechanical issue with their own firearm.
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    No, I do not know the level of training of most of the people I know.
    On the other hand my best friend is my wife and shes armed just like I am, I try not to go inside banks to begin with.
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    The answer to this depends on so much and varies so much. Generally speaking I'd like to think that we could sit tight, the BG's get their money and head out. However I realize it could turn much worse quickly.

    So to answer the question, yes I'd consider giving the other gun to a "buddy", but it depends on a lot, including just exactly who that buddy is.

    Not meaning to hijack the thread, but here is a very related question to the OP question:

    Let's say you and your wife are in a restaurant, she's armed and you aren't. You both sense that the restaurant is being robbed and you know it could get worse quickly and you hope to be left alone, but you'd like a chance to be somewhat more prepared.

    Given the opportunity, would you prefer your wife be ready to defend you two, or would you prefer her to discreetly give her weapon to you? Also how would your wife feel about this?
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