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    Thanks for the update link Howard.

    By that lead I found the following:
    Vitamin E May be Effective in Sudden Hearing Loss
    Hearing problems (including tinnitus)

    It appears the test used 400 mg twice daily of Vit. E which going in is what I was wondering as related to volume.
    No indication though of how many mg of aspirin was used.

    I too may follow your lead and purchase a sealed container to keep both attached to my car & house key ring.

    As my own personal reflection 8 wks. ago I'd had an unexpected/unplanned opportunity offered to me while on site by a local PD to fire their 40mm ballistic ball gun. Several grains of blackpowder and a large shotgun primer as within an approx. 3" long by 1.5" wide hollow aluminum cylinder firing a half of a racquetball rubber projectile.
    The sargent who was hosting me fired it first as with _no ears_ and no eyes_ which frankly caught me by surprise. A violation of firearm safety rules which I normally always follow. He shouldered and fired it commenting that recoil was non-existant.
    Like a big dummy I accepted offer to fire it as well simply because I had not done so prior. Stupidly I walked away from my own rules. Very much I cam to regret that.
    I shouldered, aimed and fired. IMMEDIATELY my right ear was _jacked_ up!
    Very high pitch piercing noise/ring akin to a dentists drill. All sound to that ear was shut down. I could not hear anything but ringing. And it was quite uncomfortable. I even felt slightly disoriented by having my one ear non-functional and my left ear okay.
    The rest of the day and night for three days there was no change. It was horrible. I had trouble sleeping because the noise was constantly there.
    Gradually over the course of _weeks_ it subsided to the point that this weekend was the first time I did not wake to ringing in my ear/head.
    Hearing volume and tonal quality has been affected in that ear as relative to my left which especially becomes evident when I wear my electronic earpro at the range (I normally always double ear) and try to talk to 'hear' a conversation.
    Also when listening to music, such as right now, I hear things differently right ear to left. This is horrible!

    In hindsight I regret agreeing to fire that device.
    As well I re-learned a lesson to _always_ offer earpro to any shooter when firing powder based arms AND to always ask for same when doing so.
    Stupid! :|

    IMHO auditory occlusion = hearing loss

    - Janq

    P.S. - I've been down range at across the street distances to handguns being fired and aside from hearing screams and broken glass I had no sense of sound decibel issue/discomfort.
    Also I have been in a car when a third party fired a handgun (9MM) as outside through the window. Sound was loud but as across several shots (one magazine fied in quick succession) I suffered no sense of discomfort nor was same reported by the second passenger, driver nor the shooter. Both though were as when in my early twenties. I'm months from 40 now.
    I wonder if age/aging has an effect on the sense of decibel level. I do not wear inner ear headsets nor listen to loud music by any measure. My only exposure to high db sound as of the past decade has been as around shooting ranges...And again I always double ear.
    When hunting I as a rule wear earpro too (16 ga and .45/70).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX9RCAM View Post
    Where does it state what one should take to help this hearing loss?
    It's the items in bold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    I too may follow your lead and purchase a sealed container to keep both attached to my car & house key ring.
    There are lots of choices available, but the best value I found comes out of the geocaching arena. These capsules are skinny, inexpensive and come with an o-ring to make them moisture resistant.

    Black Micro Cache Capsule

    I get frequent migraines so I have two of these capsules on my key chain. One contains my Migraine medication and the other contains aspirin and vitamin E.
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    Yep that is exactly what I'd had in mind!
    Those are sold locally at CVS and the Dollar Store, with o-ring made from stainless steel.

    - Janq
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    Why not just make taking them part of your daily regimin? It can't hurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Why not just make taking them part of your daily regimin? It can't hurt
    I see no problem with the Vitamin E, however for many, daily aspirin may be harmful to the stomach.
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    That, 800mg. daily, is a LOT of Vitamin E, which also has some pretty severe side effects

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Thanks for the update link Howard.

    By that lead I found the following:
    Vitamin E May be Effective in Sudden Hearing Loss
    Hearing problems (including tinnitus)

    It appears the test used 400 mg twice daily of Vit. E which going in is what I was wondering as related to volume.
    No indication though of how many mg of aspirin was used.

    I too may follow your lead and purchase a sealed container to keep both attached to my car & house key ring.

    As my own personal reflection 8 wks. ago I'd had an unexpected/unplanned opportunity offered to me while on site by a local PD to fire their 40mm ballistic ball gun. Several grains of blackpowder and a large shotgun primer as within an approx. 3" long by 1.5" wide hollow aluminum cylinder firing a half of a racquetball rubber projectile.
    The sargent who was hosting me fired it first as with _no ears_ and no eyes_ which frankly caught me by surprise. A violation of firearm safety rules which I normally always follow. He shouldered and fired it commenting that recoil was non-existant.
    Like a big dummy I accepted offer to fire it as well simply because I had not done so prior. Stupidly I walked away from my own rules. Very much I cam to regret that.
    I shouldered, aimed and fired. IMMEDIATELY my right ear was _jacked_ up!
    Very high pitch piercing noise/ring akin to a dentists drill. All sound to that ear was shut down. I could not hear anything but ringing. And it was quite uncomfortable. I even felt slightly disoriented by having my one ear non-functional and my left ear okay.
    The rest of the day and night for three days there was no change. It was horrible. I had trouble sleeping because the noise was constantly there.
    Gradually over the course of _weeks_ it subsided to the point that this weekend was the first time I did not wake to ringing in my ear/head.
    Hearing volume and tonal quality has been affected in that ear as relative to my left which especially becomes evident when I wear my electronic earpro at the range (I normally always double ear) and try to talk to 'hear' a conversation.
    Also when listening to music, such as right now, I hear things differently right ear to left. This is horrible!

    In hindsight I regret agreeing to fire that device.
    As well I re-learned a lesson to _always_ offer earpro to any shooter when firing powder based arms AND to always ask for same when doing so.
    Stupid! :|

    IMHO auditory occlusion = hearing loss

    - Janq

    P.S. - I've been down range at across the street distances to handguns being fired and aside from hearing screams and broken glass I had no sense of sound decibel issue/discomfort.
    Also I have been in a car when a third party fired a handgun (9MM) as outside through the window. Sound was loud but as across several shots (one magazine fied in quick succession) I suffered no sense of discomfort nor was same reported by the second passenger, driver nor the shooter. Both though were as when in my early twenties. I'm months from 40 now.
    I wonder if age/aging has an effect on the sense of decibel level. I do not wear inner ear headsets nor listen to loud music by any measure. My only exposure to high db sound as of the past decade has been as around shooting ranges...And again I always double ear.
    When hunting I as a rule wear earpro too (16 ga and .45/70).
    I've had a constant high pitched eeeeeeeeeeee for years. Sometimes it changes pitch and sometimes it's louder. Between shooting when I was younger (w/o plugs), rock concerts, and working in a furniture mill machine room 12 hours a day for 4 years in high school and college (w/o plugs) I can't imagine why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCohodas View Post
    It's the items in bold.
    Thanks.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie8D View Post
    That, 800mg. daily, is a LOT of Vitamin E, which also has some pretty severe side effects
    "The dose makes the poison." If you eat even small amounts of shark liver you will get very sick, and can even die, from Vitamin E poisoning. Vitamins are just chemicals, they have good and bad effects on the body, and can interact with other chemicals to cause unexpected secondary effects.

    To keep this post on topic, I have never fired a gun without hearing protection, but I took one friend on his first range trip and he blew the earplugs off, saying "I love loud concerts, I always stand in front by the speakers, blah blah blah." I insisted but eventually gave up and said "Well, it's your hearing." He stood next to me and I fired 3 rounds of 5.56 NATO. He jumped into the air, then asked for earplugs, lol. He reported ringing in his ears for the rest of the day and part of the next.
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    And that was my next thing to do...Check to see what the dose worked out to as per the PDR.
    You guys saved me the effort.

    Yeah I don't understand how people are able to shoot any kind of gun without ears and shrug it off.
    At my local outdoor range I see this every so often and am shocked.

    Heck I double ear and even then sometimes I can't stand the sound impulse and will step back/away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Yeah I don't understand how people are able to shoot any kind of gun without ears and shrug it off.
    At my local outdoor range I see this every so often and am shocked.

    Heck I double ear and even then sometimes I can't stand the sound impulse and will step back/away.

    - Janq
    They don't shrug it off. The damage is done once the shots are fired. The hearing loss is permanent and untreatable. it's mostly undetecable without a baseline audiogram and an after action audiogram.
    You may now carry on with your absurd non-directional bantering.
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    I've been wondering if there would be enough difference in decibels between a compact handgun (say anything below a 4" barrel) and a long barrel in the same caliber around 5 or 6" to make it worth carrying one...

    Shot the SR9 once without protection and had about two weeks of ears ringing (4.14" barrel). Shortly after that I fired a krinkov, (7.62x39) without a muzzle brake, with cheap ear muffs and a gap from hat and sunglasses I wasn't aware of till it was too late that allowed sound to come in.
    After that and using them once or twice more shooting the pistol, I'm very upset with myself for not being more careful. Like Jang, I can tell a difference in hearing between my right and left ear.

    I remember reading a post about how the NRA advertised some type of hearing pill that a lot of people felt was a ripoff (probably without trying it). Wonder if it's a combination of something like mentioned in this thread.

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    I'm probably going to be in bad shape when I get older.

    During my youthful careless days, shooting without ear protection five gallon buckets full of 12 gauge loads at a time at clay targets and listening to loud car stereos has probably done a number on my ears. I regret doing that now that I am into my 30's.

    I never target shoot without protection now. However I am guilty of hunting waterfowl without protection on. I rarely even notice ringing in my ears after firing a shotgun while hunting ducks and geese.
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    I'm with Doc but mine isn't near as bad. My 40 S&W doesn't seem that loud without plugs, but my 308 rifle will disorient ya!

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