This is a discussion on No More Safety For Me within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Treo If you want to carry a weapon W/out a safety get a weapon designed to be carried as such. Walking aroung ...
You're grown but I think you're making a biiiiig mistake that will come back to bite youOriginally posted by Rollo Normally I would agree with you but we are talking about a SA weapon with almost half a inch of take up.
I hear what you are saying...this is why I started carrying a SIG.
However, when I was deployed, and on a convoy, I carried my weapon loaded, safety off (hammer forward). Why? The M9 is a little oversized for my hands to sweep the safety and engage...it was a risk I was willing to take, based on the immediate threat.
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I think when you start to rationalize your way around a safety device, it's time to get a new gun!
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I've never handled a pt145, so I can't speak for that particular weapon.
However, I often carry my 3rd Gen DA/SA Smiths with the safety off. I see no difference with those guns than with carrying a revolver with no safety. The DA trigger pull on my Smiths are similar to my revolver triggers: very long, and not light.
I do not consider it unsafe to carry a modern DA/SA pistol with the safety off and hammer down. My S&W 59 is a different story, but that gun has no drop safety.
I don't see any issue with what you're doing. In fact, I consider what you are doing to be preferrable, at least for me.
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I use to carry a gun with a manual safety, and one day during practice forgot to sweep it off, could have been a bad day. Now all my carry weapons are of the tri-P design
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He's talking about carrying an SA pistol in Cond. zeroOriginally posted by Grady I do not consider it unsafe to carry a modern DA/SA pistol with the safety off and hammer down. My S&W 59 is a different story, but that gun has no drop safety.
But after researching the pt145, I read one review which stated the trigger pull was 9 lbs., and another review on a different pt145 that stated the pull was 9.5 lbs.
With a trigger pull that heavy, I still think I'd carry with the safety off, unless the particular gun in question was deemed to be unsafe when carried that way.
What makes carrying the pt145 with the safety off different than carrying a Glock with a lighter trigger weight?
But it's really a moot point for me because I don't plan on buying a Taurus.
I also currently EDC my Mil Pro as well, and I also carry without the safety on. I can't seem to re ingrain the safety sweep into my memory. I'll make a more conscious effort when I can afford to carry a quality 1911. When its on the dresser at home or not directly on me I engage the safety though.
As long the Mil Pro is in quality holster with the trigger covered it's ok. We both know that that trigger has a heck of a long take up!
If you're going to carry one weapon, might as well carry two, because as the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."
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Read below before making up your mind, it is a DAO trigger. It would be no different that carrying a wheel gun without a safety.
The following is from American Handgunner and written by Charles Cutshaw
The safety is engaged when in the "up" position and disengaged when "down." It blocks only the trigger, but a firing-pin block is not required, as will be explained below. I am not enamored of added manual safeties in a well-designed DAO pistol such as the PT 145, which is as safe as a DAO revolver without any such additional safety devices.
The trigger is a true DAO design that functions via a transfer bar with integral sear that rides in a channel between the frame and the grip assembly. As the trigger is squeezed, the sear retracts the striker and as it reaches the end of its travel, the sear is cammed down via a small ramp, thus releasing the striker to fire the pistol. This system is smooth, reliable and consistent, but it does "stack" somewhat as it reaches the end of its travel and the striker spring fully compresses. We found that this had little or no effect on accuracy, however.
The striker is physically blocked by a firing-pin safety that is cammed out of the way by the striker as it is retracted. As the striker moves forward, the cam retains the safety out of the striker's path long enough for the striker to hit the cartridge primer under its own momentum.
When the trigger is released, it is reset, whether the slide has cycled or not. This allows the trigger to be pulled again in case of a misfire, without retracting the slide, as you perform a "tap, rack, bang" drill. The relationship of the sear and striker acts as a disconnector. The design is simple and reliable. The DAO trigger pull is approximately 0.5" in length and the pull weight is some 9 lbs., but actually feels lighter.
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The general rule is that if your firearm has a safety you should use it.
If you don't want a firearm with an external safety then don't buy or carry a firearm with an external safety.
Though I don't believe it's as "scary" as some have made it out to be, I would never recommend, to anyone, at any time, that they should carry their firearm in any way other than how it was intended.
If you think the safety slows you down and you want to have an "external-safety-less" gun, then I would recommend going and looking at some other models without the safety and seeing about a trade.
As others have stated, thumbing off the safety should have no bearing whatsoever on your time to draw and shoot.
Flipping off the safety should be a natural extension of drawing.
I can see how those little plastic tab safeties can be hard to flick off.
If I were to carry a pistol with a safety it would be a 1911 type thumb safety that you can actually use as a resting spot for the rear thumb. It feels natural, and you'll never forget to flick it off.
That said, I agree with Grady. Long and relatively heavy SA isn't really different than Kahr's long DA with a striker fired pistol, and only the "trigger safety" differentiates it from the M&P or Glock (which both have shorter pulls). Reading up on the PT145, it does have a firing pin block safety, and is California Drop test certified, which means it's been dropped without the safety on and didn't fire. Therefore, in a good kydex holster that clicks in around the trigger guard, I don't feel there is a meaningful safety difference.
That said, I'm a little paranoid, and I like that my Glock's striker is only "pre-stressed" and not fully cocked until the trigger pull.
I think Rollo has one of the newer SA/DA versions and he refers to the older DAO mechanism.The following is from American Handgunner and written by Charles Cutshaw
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