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Sounds like someone needs a Glock
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When I carry my PT145 - I carry it with safety off - like the M&P I used to have or like a Glock the trigger becomes my safety.
When I put it on the nightstand for anything that might go "bump in the night" then my safety's ON - or when it's locked up in it's drawer safety's on then too - just not when it's in holster on me....
Last edited by ArmyCop; March 15th, 2010 at 04:08 PM. Reason: For content.
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I carry a 24/7 PRO with the DS trigger. I asked a guy I know who has been a LEO firearms instructor for many years and he advised me to carry de-cocked with the safety off.
I'd say if it's DAO or has a de-cocker, leave the safety off.
Either you are a weapon and your gun is a tool or your gun is a weapon and you are the tool.
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With all due respect, aren't you concerned that you'll forget that the safety's on if something go's "bump the the night" when you are half asleep?Originally Posted by ArmyCop
I have no issue with carrying without the safety engaged, my issue is not keeping the pistol in a consistent "condition". Sounds like a bad situation waiting to happen.
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in most cases the negligent party isnt aware the gun is going to fire in a negligent discharge...therefore...you would not hear if a safety prevented a negligent discharge because the negligent party does not realize it...i hope that makes sense...accidental or negligent...however you want to identify it...the party doing it isnt aware they are doing it...
i would be more concerned about muscle memory and not using a safety in the event the safety is accidentally engaged on the firearm...this can happen while holstered or in a struggle...then youve got a job on your hands...
growing up as a hunter i feel it becomes second nature to disengage a safety on a gun equipped with one when one has practiced enough with it....yo should be engaging your safety at the range every time you shoot the gun so it becomes second nature to you...
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Agreed, as much as I love my 1911, I EDC a Sig P250C. K.I.S.S, is even more important under stress.
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That!!!
hint- Revolver
I know we don't get to carry as many rounds but less explaining to do for my wife. Just point and pull the trigger until the BG is not a threat anymore.
Jim
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Here's a question for 1911 owners: Whenever you take your weapon out of the holster, do you often sweep up with the thumb to insure that the safety is on? If so, you're developing muscle memory ... and that is the likely action that you will take if you ever need to draw your weapon.
Not meaning to slam anyone here, but it's a natural and subconscious action. Think about it.
"We must remember that one man is much
the same as another, and that he is best
who is trained in the severest school."
~Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
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Always sweep the safety off, then sweep on.
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(Your safety should be your trigger finger it should never be on the trigger till your ready to shoot).
Common people remember you firearms safety class when you where twelve. I do not believe in safety’s it is only one more thing that could get you killed.
Now if you are the BG go ahead please have a stolen gun with a safety engaged please. LOL
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If it has a safety on it use it.
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huh? confused i guess... no, when i take my weapon out of the holster my thumb is naturally on top of the safety, and as i draw my thumb presses down. my thumb stays rested on top of the safety as i shoot. my muscle memory turns off the safety, not on. if i for some reason want to draw my gun without turning the safety off i must conciously do so (though its not like its that hard. i cant imagine accidently turning the safety off when i dont mean to, but when i am quickly drawing my gun, the safety is off beforethats for sure)
here is a random pic i found on the internet that shows how it is held (not perfect, but close enough- shows thumb reletive to safety)
Georg BüchnerWo die Notwehr aufhört, fängt der Mord an
(Murder begins where self-defense ends)
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I am constantly amazed at the almost communicable concept of the necessity for some kind of quick draw ability, and one-half second time frames to denote failure or success, shared by so many armed citizens. I read of people standing before a mirror practicing a fast draw every day, evincing behavior just shy of what I might consider real paranoia. Armed citizens boasting of carrying back-up guns and studded with multiple magazines, is also disturbing.
We are armed citizens, not old west gunfighters (who didn't even do those quick draw gun battles ascribed to them). If you do not have your firearm out and ready when the trouble arises, you are probably going to be shot anyway. Paying attention to your surroundings and reading what you see, is ten times more important than Roy Rogers quick draw skills.
The very idea of not using a safety because it slows your quick draw speed is, at best, most likely a prelude to one eventually shooting oneself in a accident. At worst it could lead to shooting someone else unintended.
I get around quick a bit, and have for many years. I have not yet found myself, as an armed citizen, walking down Hogan's alley, waiting to draw and shoot whoever pops up in a window. I think this kind of mind set gives anyone who may be on the border between pro and anti-fireams, the idea that all too many armed citizens are living up in Cloud Cuckooland somewhere!
Perhaps we should all sit back for a moment and ask ourselves just how many times in our daily lives, we have had to draw in desperation and shoot someone, as armed citizens. How many times did you actually need a handgun outside in your daily life, before you were permitted to carry one? And what are the odds of being in an OK Corral shootout?
Carrying firearms in public places is a great privilege and equally, a responsibility to maintain maximum safety for those around us. That should be our first concern.
Practice some more.
If you're doing your draw correctly it (operating the thumb safety) should not add anything to your draw and presentation time. l
If you are manipulating the hammer manually in order to put it in "half-cock," this practice is unnecessary at best and dangerous at worst. The M9 has a firing pin block - if you lower the hammer properly BY USING THE SAFETY/ DECOCKER, the pistol is perfectly safe. Putting the selector switch back into the "fire" position at this point gives you a traditional DA pistol with no inherent safety concerns. Messing with the hammer manually, however, CAN be dangerous - I strongly advise against it.I don't use the safety at all on my M9 because my hands are kinda small and I can't sweep it off with one hand. I just use the half cock on it to keep the pressure off the firing pin incase i drop it.
And yes, it is SOP for almost all units to carry with the safety "on." It is my opinion, however, that this is unnecessary, especially considering the relatively difficult manipulation required to "off-safe" the M9... I carried mine off safe, hammer lowered via the decocker, and had all of my troops who carried M9s do the same. No one above me ever inspected the safeties on their pistols during combat operations...
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
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