TN Man's Permit Revoked: 1st Fall Out @ Post 110-MERGED

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    Originally posted by 9mm mare I have to say that I'd look twice at someone carrying their handgun in their hand.....hm. That can border on brandishing/threatening (in some places). I mean, if you're not supposed to 'draw' unless there is a threat of deadly force.....
    As has been posted several times on this forum the law in Belle Meade Tn. specificially restricts carry to an Army or Navy pistol and specifies that it must be carried in the hand .

    The guy was in strict compliance W/ the city ordinance how is that wrong?

    This goes back to my thread about trusting other people W/ guns. This guy didn't break any law and there are people here on a "pro gun" website that want him pilloried. Brady ain't our worst enemy , we are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I must really be blind, because I am completely missing why so many are so down on this man.

    Is it legal to decorate his gun by painting the tip orange? If it isn't, and I think perhaps it should't be, then he is wrong. He wasn't arrested, so I take it that what he did was legal.

    Toy guns have orange tips...real ones don't. The only reason that I can come up with to paint a real gun tip orange is to make people think it is a toy. Now, why would you want for people to think your firearm is a toy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    As has been posted several times on this forum the law in Belle Meade Tn. specificially restricts carry to an Army or Navy pistol and specifies that it must be carried in the hand .

    The guy was in strict compliance W/ the city ordinance how is that wrong?
    In the STRICtest compliance with the city ordinance... he was not carrying an Army or Navy pistol, he was carrying a replica...
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    IMHO he was hoping to get arrested, to be able to file a law suit and get rich. In the south, that is called a retirement plan.....

    AND I've lived in the south my whole life and see it over and over.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem174 View Post
    Toy guns have orange tips...real ones don't. The only reason that I can come up with to paint a real gun tip orange is to make people think it is a toy. Now, why would you want for people to think your firearm is a toy?
    Maybe so people would assume it is a toy and not call the police.


    Don't agree with doing it, but it is not illegal.


    Some toys don't have orange tips.
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    You mean I worked all them years when there was an easier way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    Maybe so people would assume it is a toy and not call the police.


    Don't agree with doing it, but it is not illegal.


    Some toys don't have orange tips.
    Or maybe it is to make a Police Officer hesitate just a fraction of a second in a shooting scenario. We don't know, we really have no idea what is in his head. Either way I think it's a bad idea.

    I don't have the law in front of me, but I am sure that there is a federal toy gun law from the late 80's that say all toy guns must have an orange tip.

    This guy wants his 15 minutes of fame.
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    Well his first mistake is his choice in weapons.. He was walking around with this in his hand....



    not really your normal choice for law abiding carry whether open or concealed. Frankly it looks like something you would see confiscated from a drug dealers house on cops. (yes i know sterotyping)

    If that is not sreaming for attention i don't know what is. I am a pro guns adovocate and am all for open carry but i have to admit if i saw a guy i didn't know walking down the street with that in his hand i would feel a little uneasy and wonder what the hell he planned to do with that. I would probably cozy up a little closer to my own gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem174 View Post
    I don't have the law in front of me, but I am sure that there is a federal toy gun law from the late 80's that say all toy guns must have an orange tip.
    Check out walmart. They sell BB guns without the tip.



    Although it can be argued that a BB gun is not a toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    Check out walmart. They sell BB guns without the tip.



    Although it can be argued that a BB gun is not a toy.
    i don't think most BB guns have the orange tip because they are not considered toys. same goes for Pellet guns and such. None of the ones i have ever had were orange tipped.

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    Same story, another forum...

    I was getting ripped a new.....you know, on another forum because I suggested that the man should carry a big revolver instead....started like this:
    Re: AK pistol open-carrier detained 2.5 hours (Nashville, TN)
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    Just because one has the right, doesn't mean one should......common sense goes a long way in a lot of situations....

    His reply:
    Pardon me, isn't that the statement made by anti-gun types when we say the law allows us to carry guns?

    I still say that we should not start a precedent of condemning lawful activity (stupid or not). Someday, the average folk here may think that anything more than a wheelgun is just askin' for a problem with the police!!!

    Get my point? Really....... I was stunned, ABSOLUTELY STUNNED by the response on this forum. The way you have generalized this AK carrier is EXACTLY the way we hate being thought of by the anti's! The difference is that the anti's hate everybody with a gun and some of us here hate only the guy with the LEGAL TO CARRY AK!!!

    Personally, I'd be comfortable carrying my full size AK everywhere I go, but it is socially unacceptable. NOT illegal, but socially unacceptable. This is why I choose not to. I may, however, like to exercise my right someday and therefore support those who do.

    Actually, I want a PS90 SBR to carry under my jacket all the time, but I hate the ballistics!!!!
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    My reply: Re: AK pistol open-carrier detained 2.5 hours (Nashville, TN)

    I am most definitely NOT anti-gun...I am although anti-dumb. If I was allowed to carry an anti-tank gun ( I can have a 50 cal, so I guess I can) does that mean I should be pulling a cart down the street loaded with ammo in the event of something is gonna happen to me? Think about it.

    A handgun version of an Ak is cool...would love to shoot it at the range...but personally, I wouldn't carry it in public because it makes the rest of us look like a bunch of Goobers....IMHO. Every time the anti's get on TV, they have a well dressed, well spoken person talking. Then they turn to 'Bubba' in an orange cap, to get OUR view of things...what do you think plays better on the national scene...? Don't think it's political? Grow up...take a little criticism and understand where the battle really lies.....in the courts.


    I am all for open carry for those that are on our side of the law...not an OC discussion, I was just suggesting that maybe something less Rambo would better serve our ultimate goal with the sheeple.


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    My whole point is like I said, he says he's a private person, this is not the way to be private.

    It's like teaching how to hide in plain site and your first class is in the woods during the spring (and everything is green) and your wearing an orange vest, same principles apply.

    I should have added, that I concur, if he was legal nothing should have happened to him.
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    I say he was a bonehead who DOES want to make a statement. However, if everything he did was legal, then the state shouldn't be allowed to take his CCW away.

    The city ordinance is stupid, but he was following it. He did nothing to warrant revoking his CCW. Painting the tip of his gun orange is pretty fishy, but if not illegal, then NOT ILLEGAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    As has been posted several times on this forum the law in Belle Meade Tn. specificially restricts carry to an Army or Navy pistol and specifies that it must be carried in the hand .

    The guy was in strict compliance W/ the city ordinance how is that wrong?

    This goes back to my thread about trusting other people W/ guns. This guy didn't break any law and there are people here on a "pro gun" website that want him pilloried. Brady ain't our worst enemy , we are

    Sorry that I've missed the other times it's been posted.

    I didnt say he was wrong.

    And I said that I was conflicted, personally....and not willing to impose my personal belief on another. Mostly I was questioning.

    Because I would not personally object to his carrying his gun in his hand I would do what I have said (in your thread onthe subject)...take responsibility for my own safety and if I got any bad vibes from him, observe him or remove myself from his presence. I would leave him alone unless he gave me reason to do otherwise.
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    I have been following this guys post for quite awhile. He walks on the boarder line of the law and common sense. I do agree that if he was legal then he should not have been arrested.
    I think he has done more harm than good for gun rights avocates.
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