This is a discussion on TN Man's Permit Revoked: 1st Fall Out @ Post 110-MERGED within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bhamrichard Mostly because IMO, even though his actions fall within the letter of the law, his actions make gun owners look bad. ...
Be reasonable. See things my way.
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The only thing this knucklehead will accomplish is getting state governments to impose the type of handgun you can legally carry by approved roster, such as in Massachussets and California and/or cause them to revoke open carry laws. This doesn't help citizens in other States and municipalities who are fighting for their 2A rights either. Just because he has the right doesn't mean he should. Like it or not in today's government, our freedoms hang by a thread, and we need to make conscious decisions on what outcomes our actions can cause. I'm not saying it's right to be forced into thinking along those lines but it's definitely real. He also makes a poor conscious decision to paint the tip of his AK orange. We all know what impression he was trying to circumvent by doing this.
And just think: If many of us here, in a GUN FORUM, find his actions objectionable, just think what Mr. Average John Q Public thinks.
We need to get a little real here, and not live in our own little unrealistic "well, it's his/our RIGHT" dreamworld; because that "right" can be snatched away in a heartbeat.
now hes got a real civil rights case since he has a legitimate property interest in his TN permit to carry.....
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Umm dude, we're the ones W/ the gunsOriginally posted by Bill Calley Our CCW (and overall gun) rights, whether some people here like to admit it or even realize it, DO hang by a very thin thread,
But seriously Treo, "they" (the ones who pass and enforce our laws), have a heck of a lot more guns than we do, and those guns are a heck of a lot more powerful. And, "they" are also a heck of a lot more organized than your all inclusive "we" are.
Tell you what: If "they" pass more restrictive anti-firearm laws due to the prevalence of some more gun-toting sub-morons who take pleasure in frightening the voting public, then you go up against "they" with your 9mm, and I'll watch from afar (from really, really afar).
He purposely picked the large unconcealable AK pistol because of just that it cant be concealed. He was a @(*% and he got what he deserved..I hope the guy loses and does not get it back...id be willing to go to court to testify exactly what he said, wrote, and as trying to do on the message boards ive seen him get banned from..he knew this was going to be the end result..and hopefully he loses his permit forever! before him or another person gets hurt because of his foolishness.
I see that some here have not heard of orr takied to this guy before(on a message board) I have seen several boards and he is TOOLISH enough to have gotten banned from all the ones I frequent. Mostly because of his trying to lure LE officers into doing something.
These guys like him are the kind that the other gun owning public should WANT to disavow and see get in trouble and let it be known that he has nothing to do with gun "rights" nor with the state of mind of the "normal" CC people/gun people.
Many liberals also think that a person that OCs a 1911 cocked is purposely looking for trouble (i.e. the soccer mom in VA that was on the news for open carrying her 1911 cocked at her kid's soccer game). While it is perfectly legal, who gets to subjectively determine one that deserves to lose their permit. Objectively determine, no problem.
I think a vast majority of folks here agree that this particular guy is a moron that tries to intentionally stir the pot and his behavior is a detriment to the responsible gun owning community. Not much argument there. No one seems to be defending the individual or his actions. The question is what is the basis for revoking his CCP? If they can take his without objective reason, what's to stop the next person in that capacity who may be a died-in-the-wool anti from taking yours or anyone else's for whatever reason they decide is ok?
If there's more to the story and there was some legal basis, then I certainly would be glad that they took the idiot's CCP. Perhaps the rest of the story isn't being told. I don't know, just basing the larger question on what is provided.
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I have to say I am very disappointed at many of you.
The guy did nothing illegal and you say he is wrong. I have to admit I don't think i would have done what he did, but I will not condemn him for it either.
No wonder we have so many stupid gun laws on the books, it is because people like yourselves don't want to rock the boat.
A well over-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a somewhat free state, the right of certain people to keep, until determined its no longer necessary for them to have, and bear arms, unless they bear them in a fashion that may make certain members of the somewhat free state uncomfortable, shall not be infringed, unless it differers with others moral or political beliefs.
An ounce of lead is worth 200lbs of cop.
If the dumb law about "carrying a gun in your hand" gets changed, then he did something good. I would be willing to bet the park rangers had a long meeting about this and might even have "NEW" policies so nobody get harassed again.
You feel free to continue to be the sheppard to keep all the sheep in a straight line though.
As I said I don't think I would do what he did, but unlike you I will not knock him for doing something that was not illegal.
Last edited by JD; March 16th, 2010 at 08:04 PM. Reason: Addressed via PM.