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    Open carry goes totally unnoticed in our Walmart here. I was told that the "ban" against customers OCC was only advisory and up to the local store. As a large part of our Walmart's business is guns,ammo and hunting gear, they are very pro-2A. The ban against employees carrying is insurance driven. Before everybody jumps on the current administration be aware that this decision by insurance companies has been in effect for a long time. Also remember that Insurance Companies and their execs are all good Republicans and out to hold onto their money and not have to pay it out.

    I live in a largely rural area and Walmart is the only chain that tries to reach us. If we didn't have a Walmart we would have to drive 100 mile round trips to buy most of our goods.

    No, I don't work for Walmart and neither do any of my kin. I am not a Democrat, I am a Southern Conservative Independent (SCI). I just think it doesn't hurt to look at both sides of an argument. Something not practiced by either of the two major parties.
    Walmart is no more evil than any of the other profit driven companies out there. They are out to make a buck.

    That is who they are, that is what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjh2657 View Post
    Open carry goes totally unnoticed in our Walmart here. I was told that the "ban" against customers OCC was only advisory and up to the local store. As a large part of our Walmart's business is guns,ammo and hunting gear, they are very pro-2A. The ban against employees carrying is insurance driven. Before everybody jumps on the current administration be aware that this decision by insurance companies has been in effect for a long time. Also remember that Insurance Companies and their execs are all good Republicans and out to hold onto their money and not have to pay it out.
    WalMart's corporate policy is to allow whatever the state the store is located in allows. It is not up to the store manager's disgression.

    More than one store manager has been "re-educated" by corporate management for putting their own spin on the policy.
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    WalMart's corporate policy is to allow whatever the state the store is located in allows. It is not up to the store manager's disgression.

    More than one store manager has been "re-educated" by corporate management for putting their own spin on the policy.
    Moot point. Tennessee allows Open carry with HCP. However, many managers in the larger cities (with no local bans on OCC) will ask you to leave (legal) so it still rests to some degree on the local manager. In Tennessee, correctly worded sign at the door means absolutely NO, while no sign still allows property owner/manager to ask you to leave. Refusal to leave is trespassing. All, as you have stated, within State guidelines. Manager here is not putting "spin" on anything, he has just decided to allow OCC (still legal.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjh2657 View Post
    Moot point. Tennessee allows Open carry with HCP. However, many managers in the larger cities (with no local bans on OCC) will ask you to leave (legal) so it still rests to some degree on the local manager. In Tennessee, correctly worded sign at the door means absolutely NO, while no sign still allows property owner/manager to ask you to leave. Refusal to leave is trespassing. All, as you have stated, within State guidelines. Manager here is not putting "spin" on anything, he has just decided to allow OCC (still legal.)

    And if the person asked to leave takes his complaint to Corporate HQ, the manager in question WILL be advised it's not his decision (how to allow or not allow OC) to make. I have yet to hear of a single instance where this has not happened. There have been several letters of apology from WM HQ posted in threads on this particular sub-forum to back up the previous statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wistrick View Post
    Not ur typical Walmart thread I hope...

    My wife is a Walmart Associate and the company rules prevent her from having a weapon on company property on or off the clock..If she does and they find out she loses her job..

    The other day there was an incident where an associates husband came in the store drunk and caused a scene...(no weapons involved). But they fired the associate, stating that company policy being on property intoxicated applied to her family as well...

    If that is so does that apply to me and make Walmart a no carry zone..How would I find out???

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    I'm also a walmart associate - i checked the policy a while back and it stated that its ultimately up to the store's asset protection/loss prevention manager (if they have one, although i would not count on getting a yes). If your state allows carry at work i'd probably go for it. Its just walmart (assuming she hasn't been there long enough to make good money). The policy should be on "The Wire" on the same page as the rest of the policies.


    I'm thinking this is a good case for "don't ask, don't tell". Don't ask if you can conceal carry, don't tell anyone that you are (assuming its not against state law). However i'd make sure its damn near invisible. One of those chest/cleavage/whatever holsters would probably conceal better than on the hip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REVMAN View Post
    Another reason to keep your "carry business" to yourself.
    my sentiment exactly, keep it concealed and ther'll be no problem unless there's a problem.

    to be honest I find merit in a store owners point of view either way. If I owned a jewelry store for exampl I'd want my store protection but prefer not having armed citizens milling about. On the other hand a coffee shop or like place, different. Old west many saloons checked arms in at door in an attempt to keep things equal, turn in the peacekeeper but hold the derringer. CC carry wins over OC. But what about the bunch who charge throu the door guns blazin, to rob the unarmed c'boys pissah,can't win !

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    a day prior to the shooting that took place in the lakewood, washington walmart, i was escorted off of the premises by walmart security because i was noted on camera ( when bending over to get the keys i dropped ) to be carrying a gun. I have tattoos, piercings and long black hair.

    * I am not a criminal. i carry every single day of my life LEGALLY*

    i was told to leave because they ( rightfully so ) made false judgement about me from my appearance.


    the next day i am back in walmart at the ATM of my bank ( anchor bank ) i was withdrawing $300 so i was being extra observant. i note two large gentlemen enter the store who are walking briskly towards me.. or so i thought. i saw one of them dram a gun and index up on a armored car driver.

    i reach for my empty holster...


    NEVER again will i ever not carry regardless of where i am

    when youre in a bar, if you decide to leave your gun in the car, who do you think will still be carrying regardless of the law?

    this is your decision to make, however i would personally rather get a fine than not be able to help someone in need like the guy who died at my feet in walmart.


    just a thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wistrick View Post
    If that is so does that apply to me and make Walmart a no carry zone..How would I find out???
    the don't-ask-don't-tell idea is probably the best option, unless you have to defend yourself using deadly force. afterwards, if your wife still has her job, you'll have your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zillah View Post
    a day prior to the shooting that took place in the lakewood, washington walmart, i was escorted off of the premises by walmart security because i was noted on camera ( when bending over to get the keys i dropped ) to be carrying a gun. I have tattoos, piercings and long black hair.

    * I am not a criminal. i carry every single day of my life LEGALLY*

    i was told to leave because they ( rightfully so ) made false judgement about me from my appearance.


    the next day i am back in walmart at the ATM of my bank ( anchor bank ) i was withdrawing $300 so i was being extra observant. i note two large gentlemen enter the store who are walking briskly towards me.. or so i thought. i saw one of them dram a gun and index up on a armored car driver.

    i reach for my empty holster...


    NEVER again will i ever not carry regardless of where i am

    when youre in a bar, if you decide to leave your gun in the car, who do you think will still be carrying regardless of the law?

    this is your decision to make, however i would personally rather get a fine than not be able to help someone in need like the guy who died at my feet in walmart.


    just a thought
    And you would have drawn on these large gentlemen? The difference between brave and stupid would have been who came out alive. The people driving armored vehicles handling the large amounts of money are (or should be) trained on how to do things in a way that others can't get the upper-hand, and I'd guess they were carrying, too. If you had drawn, what makes you think if it had turned into a firefight and the drivers prevailed they wouldn't have then turned on you?

    I personally feel you were lucky you weren't carrying. By the sounds of it, Wal-Mart saved your life.

    I could have it all wrong, too--perhaps you reached for your gun with no intention of any of them even knowing because you weren't in immediate danger, in which case you could have left and reaching for the gun would have been unnecessary.

    Do you have a thread in the defensive carry scenario forum with more details? I'd be interested in reading more details and seeing how the others feel, as I'm sure there will be a few that disagree with what I've posted.

    Edit: Just realized I only had 3 posts here and I'll probably come across as someone anti-gun trying to stir the pot since I'm not too well-known. I do in fact wish there weren't restrictions on where you could legally carry. And if Wal-Mart had asked me to leave once because I was carrying, I would likely carry the next time and they would have the opportunity to ask me to leave again (indefinitely if they prefer). I just feel if you had been armed in this situation, seeing as you reached for your handgun, it wouldn't have turned out well.

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    walmart and cc

    i have dealt with walmart as a private vendor for 30 years.

    walmart has the ability to change store policy at will. i see it done every day. they can fire someone for almost any reason, at any time. i carry if i go to walmart, which is done only as a last resort, and nobody knows but me.

    the best kept secret in the world is, do i have a firearm on me, or not. only you should know.

    side note: this is my second post on this site. i must say it is very interesting and everyone is very nice. i'm glad i found this place.

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    shopping at wal-mart i for sure carry! if i worked there i would double carry! crazy stores attract crazy people. If you work there and carry the only way they would know is if you used your weapon and if you did use it then you are still alive and can get over from being fired from WAL-MART!!
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