Flying with Firearm - bag opened and ammo missing!

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    Flying with Firearm - bag opened and ammo missing!

    Flew on Southwest this past week from Kansas City to Tampa and back. Outbound was uneventful. Declared the firearm, agent checked it, locked the case and my bag, I escorted the bag through TSA. Bag arrived safely in Tampa, no big deal.

    The return leg was a little more eventful. Same lawful procedure...bag cleared TSA and I went on my merry way. However, the bag didn't travel back with me. I got the fear of panic as soon as the baggage carousel stopped. No bag, no gun, no folder, no EDC light. It wasn't on the next flight or the one after.

    It finally arrived, and I knew something would be wrong as soon as I saw the TSA sticker across the front. My lock had been cut on the outside of the bag, my ammo was missing, as well as my EDC light. Normally I love Southwest, but they are being a huge PITA to try and get compensation for my missing property. Not to mention the fact that the bag should have never been reopened. My first time flying with my sidearm. Hope next time is better.

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    Did you file a police report?

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    I would also file a report.

    Try calling the airline and reporting the incident first and tell them you may be contacting the authorities. They may be willing to at least compensate you for it.

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    If it had a TSA sticker, and TSA was involved in opening it, I am not sure it was Southwest's fault. Yeah, TSA is scary in what they do and don't do, and how little real oversight there is.

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    Southwest told me that the TSA sticker indicated they were the responsible party, but they also admitted some culpability because the bag didn't make it on the flight meaning it had to go back through TSA.

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    That's horrible. The gun undamaged?
    "Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne

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    The airlines will always tell you it's not their fault, they're not responsible. Don't take no for an answer.

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    It may be that a TSA employee saw ammo, didn't know the rules and removed it.

    Still, you need to file a police report. Stress that Ammo was stolen. An investigation may find such as above and help reinforce the rules to the responsible parties, or may stir the pot with the Airline and TSA to make them fight harder to prevent thefts. Employees being asked about the theft may rattle some nerves and help prevent reoccurrences by them in the future more than if people just look the other way or get paid off to do so.

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    Police report.... a theft is a theft. He surely knew a light was OK, other than batteries have to be stored a particular way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSCarry View Post
    Flew on Southwest this past week from Kansas City to Tampa and back. Outbound was uneventful. Declared the firearm, agent checked it, locked the case and my bag, I escorted the bag through TSA. Bag arrived safely in Tampa, no big deal.

    The return leg was a little more eventful. Same lawful procedure...bag cleared TSA and I went on my merry way. However, the bag didn't travel back with me. I got the fear of panic as soon as the baggage carousel stopped. No bag, no gun, no folder, no EDC light. It wasn't on the next flight or the one after.

    It finally arrived, and I knew something would be wrong as soon as I saw the TSA sticker across the front. My lock had been cut on the outside of the bag, my ammo was missing, as well as my EDC light. Normally I love Southwest, but they are being a huge PITA to try and get compensation for my missing property. Not to mention the fact that the bag should have never been reopened. My first time flying with my sidearm. Hope next time is better.
    How was the ammo stored???
    M&P Shield 9mm,
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    and others....

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    They could have confiscated the ammo if it was stored improperly. But the TSA person should have inspected that with you. TSA is not like the FBI or CIA or even you State or local police departments. Sure, they are a division of Homeland, but, they dont have very strict background investigations or are watched very closely. I was "interviewed" by a TSA agent that seemed to be about 12 years old. Long story, wont got there.

    I would file a police report and contact the TSA on what exactly went wrong. Something is not right, they have to tell you why they broke into your bag after a TSA agent cleared it. I fly all the time and nothing like this has ever happened to me. I would start making phone calls. Keep us informed please.

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    If Your Ammo Disappears...

    I would make a report to the following:

    • Airline - talk to a manager, perferably the person in charge of the airline at that airport.
    • FAA - call them, and report what happened on what flight from where to where. They are very interested in security breaches inside the "sterile" area that the TSA creates. The TSA is NOT responsible beyond checking the people and baggage as it enters this area.
    • ATF - Firearms and explosives are their thing.

    The local police at the arrival airport would not be interested, and at the departure airport (and any stops between the departure and arrival airport) would not be interested either.

    This is the Fed's problem...
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    The problem with TSA is the minmum wages. What kind of professional service can you expect for that?
    This is the reason I'll no longer pack a firearm (or ammo). As a matter of fact, the crap I have to go through at a terminal is why flying is a mode of transpotation of last resort for me. I've had TSA cut my lock to examine my bags before--for a jar of peanut butter! Can you believe that.
    I simply don't trust them or the handlers. Too many reports of thief by them.
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    Thankfully the gun was undamaged and the ammo was stored properly according to FAA and Southwest. I think I will file a police report. Appreciate everyone's suggestions.

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    They could have confiscated the ammo if it was stored improperly.
    If anything improper was removed for any reason the TSA MUST include a form of what they took and why. The fact they didn't is proof your items were stolen. No excuses for TSA, please.
    I've had TSA cut my lock to examine my bags before--for a jar of peanut butter!
    Never lock your bags. If it's valuable, carry it with you.

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