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This is a discussion on Concealed Carry Permit - Legal Form of ID? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by surprise ID means drivers license, not your passport etc. Are you asking for trouble with the permit flashing? Concealed is concealed. You ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surprise View Post
    ID means drivers license, not your passport etc. Are you asking for trouble with the permit flashing? Concealed is concealed.
    You of course understand a lot of this country does not have a driver license?

    I have used my CCW license a couple times when I did not want to give someone my DL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by surprise View Post
    ID means drivers license, not your passport etc. Are you asking for trouble with the permit flashing? Concealed is concealed.
    A passport is legal ID for any purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mef0006 View Post
    I got my VA nonresident permit last week, so this week I have been trying to get used to carrying. Tonight however I was not carrying as I was going to "bars" (restaurants that serve liquor). I presented my permit to one bar as my photo ID, and they let me in no problem. A bit later I went to another bar, showed my permit, and the LEO standing by the bouncer tried to tell me that the permit was not a good enough ID. I told him that it was in fact issued by the state police and had everything he may need to know on it. It has my information including DOB and descriptive features, as well as a picture. I assume a bouncer at a club may not be shown a permit often and may not know what to make of it, but I assume the cop ought to have known what it was. So, should it count as a legal photo ID, or am I mistaken?

    On a sidenote, I was suprised that walking into a bar and showing a permit the LEO didn't ask if I was carrying since I can't conceal in the bar.
    I think that's the explanation for why he flashed his permit - showing off.
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    Very mall ninja. I don't go around flashing my FAA badge that took a 6 month background check to get as ID just because I have one. I use my driver's license because that is normal and I know it's always accepted.

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    My daughter and grandson flew down to visit us from Missouri where she has her CCP. At the airport she had to produce a picture I.D. before boarding and her D.L. was stuck in the plastic pocket in her wallet so she produced her CCP. They then proceeded to do everything but strip search her including opening all her luggage and carry-ons and patting her down. She won't do that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    VA resident permits do not have photo's, non-resident permits do. Personally I wish VA would adopt a better type of permit. The cheap card stock they use sucks. They already have the hardware and software available to issue a permit similar to Driver Licenses and State Photo ID cards.
    Thanks for clearing that up. I thought this was some sort of new Va. CHP.
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    Legal form of ID for what? I will bet that many businesses that require ID for accepting checks and credit cards specify "driver's license or ID card" in their company policy, and a clerk may interpret this to not include CC licenses/permits, photo or no photo. Just carry your DL or usual state ID, and be done with it. No possibility of "frightening the horses" that way.

    GunGeezer's example above is what can happen when one "frightens the horses."

    The late LTC Jeff Cooper used the "frightening the horses" phrase in his writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dakeypoo View Post
    Very mall ninja. I don't go around flashing my FAA badge that took a 6 month background check to get as ID just because I have one. I use my driver's license because that is normal and I know it's always accepted.
    I personally do not understand the thinking here. Mall Ninja?? C'mon!

    A CWL/CHP that is a valid form of ID, and in many cases cost wayy more than a DL to obtain and certainly includes a more extensive background check, shouldn't be treated like a dime store sheriff badge.

    I agree that it might not be the choice ID to flash in all circumstances but my God, it is an ID, a legitimate ID and is a better representation of your good background than a DL is.

    I personally am not ashamed of my CWL. I am proud to have one and I don't feel like a mall ninja if I ever decide to show it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    I personally do not understand the thinking here. Mall Ninja?? C'mon!

    A CWL/CHP that is a valid form of ID, and in many cases cost wayy more than a DL to obtain and certainly includes a more extensive background check, shouldn't be treated like a dime store sheriff badge.

    I agree that it might not be the choice ID to flash in all circumstances but my God, it is an ID, a legitimate ID and is a better representation of your good background than a DL is.

    I personally am not ashamed of my CWL. I am proud to have one and I don't feel like a mall ninja if I ever decide to show it.
    I have noticed that on this forum more than any other I visit a very "Secret Squirrel Club" attitude towards CCW. I don't understand it but it is what it is. The fear of people knowing you carry a CCW or a CCW permit is strong here. Like I said before, I have to carry 5 (five) goverment issued ID cards. I show which ever one is on top of the stack and under the clear window. If it is CCW then that sis what is shown. Who cares?
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    I've used my CC permit many times as a second form of ID at the bank and even for jobs. Just because I have a permit doesn't mean that I'm carrying right then. Using it so has actually brought up a few questions about the process you go thru to get it and why I carry.
    Once the person checking ID finds out about all the background checks and fingerprinting they tend to relax and are much more helpful.
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    Tally XD, Go to the DMV & try to use your CWL as a ID= NO GO it's issude by the (D O A) ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage2521 View Post
    I have noticed that on this forum more than any other I visit a very "Secret Squirrel Club" attitude towards CCW. I don't understand it but it is what it is. The fear of people knowing you carry a CCW or a CCW permit is strong here. Like I said before, I have to carry 5 (five) goverment issued ID cards. I show which ever one is on top of the stack and under the clear window. If it is CCW then that sis what is shown. Who cares?
    Fear of people knowing? No. For me just another part of my overall Gray Man strategy. I never advertise that I carry, and if ever I do have to make the fact known to a stranger he's probably going to be a very unfortunate stranger indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamakennedy View Post
    Using it so has actually brought up a few questions about the process you go thru to get it and why I carry.
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    You mean you used it as ID and turned it into an opportunity to enlighten and educate?

    OMG, Now they know....they know! All the bad things are going to happen now. You told someone you carry.

    Serioulsy, great job, let them see it, let them ask and recruit actively.
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    In Texas, when writing a check, they ask for 2 forms of ID. I do not carry my whole wallet sometimes, I carry a license "holder" which holds permit and Drivers license.....with cash in the other "pocket" of the holder. I would rather people not know. Half my family do not know or my friends that I do not hunt with.
    I was not thinking, wrote a check....and was asked for a 2nd form of ID. I gave it and "she says I do not know if that qualifies" ,LOL, it really was funny, she looks at her manager and yells "hey, does a concealed handgun permit qualify as a 2nd form of ID". The guy about crapped his pants. But he did manage to shake his head yes, while telling her to be quiet with his hands....all time while running towards us.
    My wife was laughing and said "You did that on purpose...you just about gave that poor guy a heart attack". We both had a chuckle over it and moved on.
    But, I now carry a credit card also, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirage2521 View Post
    You mean you used it as ID and turned it into an opportunity to enlighten and educate?

    OMG, Now they know....they know! All the bad things are going to happen now. You told someone you carry.

    Serioulsy, great job, let them see it, let them ask and recruit actively.
    Using it to Proselytize? Interesting but not for me. There is no other purpose for me when I carry a license to conceal but protecting myself and my family. Unless there is something other than self defense on your agenda it just isn't a good idea to broadcast your carry status. They are welcome to see my drivers license or my passport. I'll keep my carry status a private ace in the hole.

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