Concealed Carry Permit - Legal Form of ID?

[mirage2521]

Using it to Proselytize? Interesting but not for me. There is no other purpose for me when I carry a license to conceal but protecting myself and my family. Unless there is something other than self defense on your agenda it just isn't a good idea to broadcast your carry status. They are welcome to see my drivers license or my passport. I'll keep my carry status a private ace in the hole.

I respect your opinion.
I would merely like to continue trying to understand the "OMG, someone might find out" mindset.

1. Keep it an ace in the whole from who, the clerk who needs to see a second form of ID? Do you think that clerk is a threat.

2. You carry your passport?

Let me stress, before I continue, I would never, specificly select my permit to use as ID, I will not on the other hand, waste any time trying to avoid it. In my opinion, just my opinion, lots of people make way, way, way to big a deal out of this. The BG at the ATM or gas pump or where ever you think you are ever going to need your CCW is not going to kow you have one. No matter who else knows, or if you told everyone at your table at lunch, the BG is stil not going to know.

Using it to "Proselytize" actually had never occured to me before mentioned above and I would never pull it out for that reason. I also doubt that TallyXD, has ever pulled his for that reason. On the other hand, if it is what is on top in the wallet, when someone wants ID for a credit card or check, it's coming out and if the person asks, heck yea I am telling them whatever they want to know about getting one of their own. There is no way I will ever believe that this somehow compromises my safety. Putting one more CCW on the street will help increase my safety by helping reducing crime overall.

Would you please illustrate a scenario within the realm of likelihood where using it as an ID would some how compromise your safety.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[chickdiver]

Interesting subject for discussion. I am an HR professional, and I work for a construction contracting company. ICE is currently doing a second round of I9 audits in the SE US. They aren't currently auditing in FL, but I figure it is only a matter of time, and that the construction industry is likely to see heavy audit activity. Since I've only had my job for about 6 weeks, I conducted my own internal I9 audit and found that my predecessor did a crappy job, so I had all my guys fill out a new I9 and reprocessed the paperwork. If you are unfamiliar with the form, you must produce identification of several types to prove your legal ability to be employed in the US. If you have a US Passport, that's all you need to produce (there are a few other types in "Column A" as well), otherwise it's "Produce one form of ID from column B and one from column C" Column B includes a DL, column B includes a social security card- the two things 99% of people produce. I had one guy give me a DL and FL CWP. In reading the "Column B" requirements, it fits. It is a form of identification issued by a state agency. Not what I would have chosen to use, but, his choice.

[Hopyard]

In Texas, when writing a check, they ask for 2 forms of ID.

I was not thinking, wrote a check....and was asked for a 2nd form of ID. I gave it and "she says I do not know if that qualifies"

This reminds me of an incident I had at a bank where I am well known and was conducting routine business, purchasing a certificate of deposit.

Their computer has the clerk ask for two forms of ID. Of course I had my DL and CHL easily at hand, but the clerk said the bank wouldn't accept the CHL.

I thought a half second and asked, "will you take a AAA card." "Sure," the clerk answered, "so long as it has a membership number on it."

You just never know what some folks understand or what some managers tell their employees.

[GWRedDragon]

Oh, and if you are needing ID to get in, it is a bar, and not a restaurant that serves liquor.

No. Bars are illegal in Virginia. Alcohol may only be sold for on-premises consumption at a restaurant.

As for ID to establish age, as far as I know the VA code only says the following:

§ 4.1-304.

No person shall, except pursuant to subdivisions 1 through 5 of § 4.1-200, sell any alcoholic beverages to any person when at the time of such sale he knows or has reason to believe that the person to whom the sale is made is (i) less than twenty-one years of age, (ii) interdicted, or (iii) intoxicated.

Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

§ 4.1-305.

[...]
B. No person under the age of 21 years shall use or attempt to use any (i) altered, fictitious, facsimile or simulated license to operate a motor vehicle, (ii) altered, fictitious, facsimile or simulated document, including, but not limited to a birth certificate or student identification card, or (iii) motor vehicle operator's license, birth certificate or student identification card of another person in order to establish a false identification or false age for himself to consume, purchase or attempt to consume or purchase an alcoholic beverage.
[...]

From a plain reading, this seems to indicate that the type of ID is irrelevant, and all that matters is that the seller reasonably believes you are over 21. Would a CHP with a picture do that? I can't see why not.

[Roy McC]

VA resident permits do not have photo's, non-resident permits do. Personally I wish VA would adopt a better type of permit. The cheap card stock they use sucks. They already have the hardware and software available to issue a permit similar to Driver Licenses and State Photo ID cards.

I laminated my cheap card stock VA permit and then I received my PA non-residents permit...a piece of paper.

FA has the right idea, looks like a driving permit.

[mamakennedy]

Using it to Proselytize? Interesting but not for me. There is no other purpose for me when I carry a license to conceal but protecting myself and my family. Unless there is something other than self defense on your agenda it just isn't a good idea to broadcast your carry status. They are welcome to see my drivers license or my passport. I'll keep my carry status a private ace in the hole.

Proselytizing, not really. I would love for more people to carry be it OC or CC and will share my point of view with any that ask. As a rule I don't force my beliefs on another person. It is just a second picture ID...I have no desire to leave the country so I have no need for a passport, I don't have any credit cards, I'm not military, so this leaves me rather short of means to identify myself since they wont take my word for it.
Half the time I OC anyway, but where I live it's no big deal. I'm more likely to have the little old lady start chatting guns with me than to call a LEO

[dairycreek]

When I first got my CHL in Oregon I was told straightforwardly that it was NOT to be used as identification.

[FknRa]

in the local bars here, you must have a STATE issued ID. A passport won't work.

[Freedom Doc]

I respect your opinion.
I would merely like to continue trying to understand the "OMG, someone might find out" mindset.

1. Keep it an ace in the whole from who, the clerk who needs to see a second form of ID? Do you think that clerk is a threat.

2. You carry your passport?

Let me stress, before I continue, I would never, specificly select my permit to use as ID, I will not on the other hand, waste any time trying to avoid it. In my opinion, just my opinion, lots of people make way, way, way to big a deal out of this. The BG at the ATM or gas pump or where ever you think you are ever going to need your CCW is not going to kow you have one. No matter who else knows, or if you told everyone at your table at lunch, the BG is stil not going to know.

Using it to "Proselytize" actually had never occured to me before mentioned above and I would never pull it out for that reason. I also doubt that TallyXD, has ever pulled his for that reason. On the other hand, if it is what is on top in the wallet, when someone wants ID for a credit card or check, it's coming out and if the person asks, heck yea I am telling them whatever they want to know about getting one of their own. There is no way I will ever believe that this somehow compromises my safety. Putting one more CCW on the street will help increase my safety by helping reducing crime overall.

Would you please illustrate a scenario within the realm of likelihood where using it as an ID would some how compromise your safety.

Probably the biggest single problem with showing your CCW license as an ID are people who might want to steal your gun. Criminals often do have jobs you know (maybe for not that long but who knows?). Or if they think you might have money, they might take you out first and THEN rob you. Admittedly not very likely, but then neither are the odds of you ever needing your gun to stop a crime against you.

[Tally XD]

Tally XD, Go to the DMV & try to use your CWL as a ID= NO GO it's issude by the (D O A) ; )
H/D

Yes, but the D.O.A. is a state agency. Its a state issued ID/License. Why wouldn't it work? Just askin'

[Majorlk]

in the local bars here, you must have a STATE issued ID. A passport won't work.

Really? I have a hard time believing your state law says that.

As a means of identification, a passport (from any country) supersedes any state-issued ID for credibility. Every state that I am aware of accepts a passport as primary proof of identity when applying for a driver's license.

For that matter, the purpose of a driver's license is to prove that you have passed the requisite tests to operate a motor vehicle on public streets and highways, not to prove one's identity.

[mirage2521]

Probably the biggest single problem with showing your CCW license as an ID are people who might want to steal your gun. Criminals often do have jobs you know (maybe for not that long but who knows?). Or if they think you might have money, they might take you out first and THEN rob you. Admittedly not very likely, but then neither are the odds of you ever needing your gun to stop a crime against you.

So your contention is that the danger and risk come from the clerk at Home Depot or Dillards wanting to steal my gun?

[mirage2521]

in the local bars here, you must have a STATE issued ID. A passport won't work.

So tourists from other countries cannot drink in bars in Kalifornia?

Seems rather unlikely.

[spar10]

Why would you use your CPL as a form of ID? That's nutty...it's a Concealed Permit, not ID! No need to flash it around....

agreed. and especially in a bar!

[rapettitt]

In New York HSBC bank lists a NYS pistol permit as one of their appoved forms of ID