NRA against Concealed Carry at Ranges?
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March 23rd, 2010 10:25 AM
I certainly hope that was said tongue in cheek. If the range is cold and some idiot starts shooting while I'm down range, I'm going to hit the deck and yell, Cease Fire" at the top of my lungs. Anyone who would shoot back probably does not deserve to own a gun, IMHO. Obviously, anyone who would knowingly shoot on a cold range doesn't deserve to own a gun, either. But if there is a Range Commander, it's up to him to dole out "justice" not some hothead carrying a concealed weapon. If there's not a Range Commander, and there are a number of people shooting, then I'm not going down range. I'm using the pulleys. And if there is neither Range Commander nor a pulley system, I'm going elsewhere. Just sayin'.
Personally, at my club, my carry piece is always carried loaded in my holster. If I am downrange during a cold range and lead starts flying my way, lead is going to start flying back.
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March 23rd, 2010 10:25 AM
March 23rd, 2010 10:42 AM
Do you really think after the vote congress had on sunday that they really care about n your rights?
The NRA is working for gun owner rights and freedom.
March 23rd, 2010 10:44 AM
It's probably in the interest of being absolutely sure that when the line is supposed to be cold that it is, for sure, cold. In other words in the interest of everyone's safety. Hardly a reason to label the NRA as "not being on our side". I'd be in favor of all safety measures that might prevent an ugly incident on the range and all the negative repercussions that would follow. Do you really need to carry a concealed weapon on the range anyway?
Originally Posted by WoodLark
I belong to a local rifle and pistol club which is affiliated with the NRA. We have our own outdoor range which is located in a rather remote rural area. Recently NRA representatives recommended (among other things) that concealed weapons be banned at the range.
My wife and I usually go to the range early on weekday mornings. Quite often we are the only ones there at that time. For our own protection, we concealed carry.
If the club adopts the NRA recommendation, we will probably resign.
I thought the NRA was supposed to be on our side!
March 23rd, 2010 11:02 AM
I think the ban should be on pulling a concealed weapons from a iwb holster or pocket holster and then firing it down range....that's how people get shot accidentally at ranges. At my range they let you pull from OWB holsters, but will immediately make you stop if you are pulling from IWB because it's a higher risk of accidental discharge...and if you are pulling from SOB it's easy to swing that sucker around and have it pointing in all directions..guy in a lane next to me was doing it with a kimber ultra carry and i remember just seeing his laser flying everywhere and could see it skimming by the gates on my lane and it was making me nervous as ****!
March 23rd, 2010 12:09 PM
I do not agree with everything the NRA says and does. Actually, I disagree with them quite often. However, I support them because they are the best we have right now, and I am aware that without them our 2nd Amendment rights would not longer exist.
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March 23rd, 2010 12:41 PM
I take offense to statements such as "you never know what kind of idiot will show up". Step back and listen to what you are saying. Yes you never know, just like you never know at McDonalds, the corner store or anywhere else you go.
If you want no drawing from a holster, or no carry weapons on the range being deholstered, that's one thing. But telling someone they can't carry because you never know who will show up is plan idiotic and only goes to reverse the progress we have slowly be making over the last few years. Idiots are everywhere and those who make statements such as above should have their carry permits revoked.
Last edited by Phantoms; March 23rd, 2010 at 09:30 PM.
Reason: changed "me" to it's intended "we" in next to last sentence
March 23rd, 2010 01:46 PM
I agree with OldVet.... 100%.....Never take anyones word that anything is a written regulation.... even if they quote some reg numbers. It's easier to get people to do what they want if they put a regulation tag on it....
Originally Posted by OldVet
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March 23rd, 2010 02:12 PM
The OP feels the need to carry while at the range because it is remote. A few years ago there was a couple killed while shooting at a rural range and their guns stolen and used in subsequent killings. If I or the OP feels the need to carry concealed anywhere, it is not the place of the NRA or the range to tell us otherwise.
And it may not be the policy of the NRA insurance, I also hear that used as an excuse for some of the rules the club I belong to enforces, except when I researched the insurance costs for a gun club, about the only thing mentioned is that at least 5 members should be NRA members.
March 23rd, 2010 02:18 PM
Well said. They aren't perfect, but they are the best help we have.
Originally Posted by jcurt172
What chaps me is every year at the national convention, the speakers always start with "I will never forget duck hunting with my dad as a kid...." Excuse me, were you looking for the North American Hunting Club convention? What kind of gun are you carrying up there?
March 23rd, 2010 02:27 PM
I'm not going to read over this whole thread, but the NRA is NOT against concealed carry, here in Iowa they are helping in easing concealed carry restrictions and to make the state shall issue and they have helped other states as well.
Regarding the range rules...many ranges have similar rules regardless of NRA affiliation. I can understand the rules as I've seen some real clowns at the range, if you don't like it and the NRA "recommended (among other things) that concealed weapons be banned at the range." address it with your club staff that you disagree with the suggestion.
Edited to add: I changed the title of this thread to be more on point with the 1st post relating to concealed carry @ the range.
Last edited by JD; March 23rd, 2010 at 03:55 PM.
March 23rd, 2010 03:53 PM
This is how I understood the NRA position on concealed carry.
Originally Posted by JD
Last edited by JD; March 23rd, 2010 at 03:54 PM.
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March 23rd, 2010 04:04 PM
+1, I was thinking the same thing. If someone starts shooting in my direction I will yell CEASE FIRE as loud as I can, probably from midair as I dive for cover. No way I am going to return fire just because some idiot misunderstood the concept of a cold range.
Originally Posted by Divebum47
Then again, I have an inherited condition which makes me unable to detect joking on online forums
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March 23rd, 2010 04:22 PM
That's scary. A range rule prohibiting concealed carry starts to make real sense when you picture a scenario where people down range are swapping gunfire with people on a supposedly cold line carrying loaded guns.
Originally Posted by NavyLT
March 23rd, 2010 04:31 PM
Let an anti say some of this stuff, and y'all would be all over it. How dare they talk about idiots and clowns with guns? Hand out your cards. Zero tolerance of any business that curtails your right to carry. Take your money elsewhere if they won't let you conceal...unless, of course, it is a place you choose to patronize. Unless you agree that CC permit holders represent a special danger by virtue of the fact that they carry concealed.
OK, so lots of ranges have similar rules. Why? What is the cogent argument for banning concealed carry, that is justified here, but not elsewhere?
March 23rd, 2010 04:53 PM
I'm an NRA certified RSO, and I don't believe I've ever heard of any NRA regulation against conceal-carry at the range. I think the NRA recognizes that any rules for/against this practice are specific to the range and/or club. If you don't like the club rules, find another one.
As an RSO, I'm not against conceal-carry at the range; I understand why some prefer to remain armed at all times. In fact, I conceal-carry while working as an RSO. However, when the range goes cold and I say "no handling of firearms is permitted at this time," that includes ALL firearms ... concealed or otherwise.
When I'm not on duty as an RSO, and if I intend to shoot my concealed firearm at the range, I will conceal-carry a different weapon for the day. In this way, I never have to touch or remove my concealed firearm while at the range. As is said on this forum so often: "concealed means concealed." The only time I would touch or remove my concealed firearm at the range is for the intended purpose for which it is carried --- self defense.
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