NRA against Concealed Carry at Ranges?
This is a discussion on NRA against Concealed Carry at Ranges? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I belong to a local rifle and pistol club which is affiliated with the NRA. We have our own outdoor range which is located in ...
March 22nd, 2010 10:12 PM
March 22nd, 2010 10:12 PM
March 22nd, 2010 10:17 PM
It's because the NRA provides the insurance. They consider it a "hazard" to have loaded guns anywhere other than the active firing line. The NRA is also against open carry in all forms. If it wasn't a requirement of my gun range to be a member of the NRA because of the insurance reasons, I would not be a member of the NRA. The NRA is all about hunter's and sportsman's rights and not about the Second Amendment.
Personally, at my club, my carry piece is always carried loaded in my holster. If I am downrange during a cold range and lead starts flying my way, lead is going to start flying back.
March 22nd, 2010 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by NavyLT
The NRA often reminds of British gentlemen with their fowling pieces supporting bans that don't effect their sport.
March 22nd, 2010 11:21 PM
I can't speak to your club or its members, but recognize that all sorts of folks show up at public ranges. By "all sorts" I mean the trained and the untrained, the responsible and the irresponsible, and everyone in between. I have no problem with all guns on the firing line being visible, if nothing more than for the ability of the range officer(s) to keep track of muzzles and actions.
Originally Posted by WoodLark
The club back east where I used to participate in informal IDPA shoots - heck, they taught CQ shooting techniques there - had a strict, cold-range rule at the tiny, 8-bay indoor range. When it was time to leave, those of us who carried were invited to step up to the line to "load and make ready", then holster our guns before leaving the line. That still maintained control of the muzzles.
Does you club allow drawing from the holster? If so, what's wrong with carrying openly at the range?
Lastly, re the NRA, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. There is no organization who has effectively and consistently supported YOUR Second Amendment rights, in spite of only a fraction of American shooters and gun owner signing up for membership. I don't agree with all of their policies, but they still get my support. And contrary to another's post, they are hardly "just about hunter's and sportmen's rights" - that schism was resolved with the "Cincinnati Revolt" in 1977, and led to the formation of the ILA. If you think the NRA isn't behind concealed carry, then you are taking a "revisionist history" view of the gains achieved over the past couple of decades in State legislatures so we now have 39 "shall-issue" states with an unprecedented level of reciprocity among them. No, it's not 50 states and 100% reciprocity, but it's a whole lot better then it was 20 years ago when I started carrying. Those advances in CCW-enabling legislation would not have been possible without the organized and sustaining efforts of the NRA.
I say look for alternative solutions to your personal safety while at the range, not an all-or-nothing approach.
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March 22nd, 2010 11:34 PM
I gotta agree with Gasmitty on this one - the NRA is far from perfect, but they do represent a good effort to lobby with strength for our rights.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
March 22nd, 2010 11:38 PM
I agree here, also...the NRA is not perfect, but they are on top of a LOT of items all over the country...I give them my support.
Originally Posted by usmc3169
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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March 22nd, 2010 11:41 PM
Nothing is perfect. BUT without the NRA, Brady just might have his way.
March 23rd, 2010 12:23 AM
A America without guns!?
Originally Posted by Bear67
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March 23rd, 2010 12:38 AM
My club is an NRA club and CC is allowed. Its not the NRA. Its the particular a-hole reps that run your range. Tell them how you feel.
March 23rd, 2010 02:42 AM
Our range is an NRA affiliate. Concealed and open carry is allowed and even sort of unspokenly encouraged. many open carry there self defense gun while shooting other guns and some draw and fire their holstered piece on "Hot Range" command. When "Cold Range" is given, actions must be open and no one is allowed to touch their gun. Magazines can be loaded during "Cold Range. People with holstered guns, either OC or CC can still carry them down range or any where they want. Just don't touch unless your on a hot range. Many times guns are handled in the lobby and waiting area, but must be checked by the Rangemaster for obvious safety reasons.
March 23rd, 2010 07:49 AM
Good, bad, or ugly.....the NRA is all that stands between us and the loss of our 2nd Amendment rights. If you don't like the way they operate, tell them.
March 23rd, 2010 08:20 AM
If the folks in charge said it's "required" by the NRA Insurance, ask to see that particular requirement in writing. You'll probably find it doesn't exist.
I learned long ago in the service that in most cases when someone says you ""can't" or "have to" because of a "reg," it's not necessarily so. I always looked the regs up and found it was usually a case of military myth.
Such is the case in the civililan world. Like so many times here and elsewhere on forums, if you'll look up state laws, etc., you'll find the real requirements and avoid long perpetuated myths.
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Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid...
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March 23rd, 2010 08:27 AM
Without the NRA our gun rights would have disappeared long ago. No organization is perfect, but the NRA comes close!
You have to take the long, broad view with organizations like the NRA and the fight for the right to bear arms. Life is full of compromise; look at your own life and you will find many instances of compromise. Imagine living a hundred and thirty five years and dealing with millions of people, working with thousands of legislators, lawyers, jounalists and judges. Do you think if you had to do all that you would never have to compromise? Think about it.
So let's cut our friends some slack if they don't do everything just as we would like them to.
March 23rd, 2010 08:52 AM
The NRA has been actively involved with every conceal carry statute that has been passed across the country. Without the organization and strength of the NRA none of us would be carrying - ccw or oc.
If you have an issue with a local rep talk to them personally. If they will not talk with you contact your regional rep. If that doesn't help, bump it up to the national folks.
Or just bend over and let the Brady Bunch have their way with you.
March 23rd, 2010 09:17 AM
Concealed means just that
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
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