Is MSNBC trying to bait us in to give us the slam? LOL

[jwhite75]

Utah, Florida help non-residents pack guns - Life- msnbc.com

Second article on CCP in as many days.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Rob P.]

They are trying to stir up outrage that people can get CCW permits through the mail from States they don't live in even though their resident State won't issue them one.

They are also trying to spin the refusal to issue in the resident state as some sort of "dangerous person" thing that is being ignored by non-resident issuing States.

Utah and Florida should get on the news with an "Official Press Release" regarding their programs and tell MSNBC to get stuffed. Officially.

[BurgDog]

Whenever I see the phrase "pack heat" I KNOW that the article will be anti-gun.

[Grant48]

Is MSNBC trying to bait us in to give us the slam?

Sure appears that way.

It's really a non-story. The reason these licenses are popular is because they have great reciprocity. It is NOT because they are any "easier" to obtain than anywhere else... despite what the "anti-gunners" want you to believe.

"gun-control advocates say it’s likely that non-resident permit holders aren’t checked as thoroughly or as often as they should be"

"It’s a way for people to get (permits) despite not being able to qualify in their own state, sometimes because of a criminal history"

"Florida has a lower bar for denying and revoking permits"

These statements are flat WRONG.

The standards to obtain a non-resident license from Florida and/or Utah are no different than most other states, resident or non-resident. They require a background check, fingerprints, passport photos, proof of education, etc.

[Rob P.]

Whenever I see the phrase "pack heat" I KNOW that the article will be anti-gun.

Hey now, if it was an article about how you're out hunting elk in the boonies and it's below freezing you'd be very interested if the article was about "packing heat" in the form of those thermal handwarmers. That'd probably be a pretty pro-gun article too.

[Greg Foster]

It's propaganda for the

[sigmanluke]

In one of my academy classes, we had a supervisor from the Utah BCI (issuing authority) as the instructor. We were told that FBI background checks are run on EVERY SINGLE Utah CFP holder res/non-res, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT automatically. Should something come up, the permit will be suspended/revoked the very next business day.

No one at MSNBC will tell you that though, and most don't know it.

You all are special, now you know how it works in Utah.

[TravisABQ]

......proof of education, etc.

Excuse me?

"proof of education?

[retsupt99]

Excuse me?

"proof of education?

I think he means a training class, or a gun educations class, or some kind of requried gun training/handling...

[fastk9dad]

Excuse me?

"proof of education?

Utah has a special pistol course and FL requires the NRA basic safety course or equivalent I believe.

[Tom357]

In one of my academy classes, we had a supervisor from the Utah BCI (issuing authority) as the instructor. We were told that FBI background checks are run on EVERY SINGLE Utah CFP holder res/non-res, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT automatically. Should something come up, the permit will be suspended/revoked the very next business day.

No one at MSNBC will tell you that though, and most don't know it...

Umm....from the MSNBC article:

When it comes to background checks, he said, “I’ll put Utah’s process up against any other state’s.” He said residents with concealed-carry licenses are checked for run-ins with the law on a daily basis. Out-of-state permit holders are checked quarterly, Aposhian said, but he expects the state to implement a daily check within 18 months.

Looks like MSNBC told us that.

What I see this article doing is creating the concept of the "gun show permit loophole" to go along with the "gun show loophole" about background checks. I think the purpose of the article was to work to delegitimize non-resident permits, and to expand the concept of "gun show loopholes" to include permits as well as background checks.

[liljake82]

I'm sure this has really upset both of the people that watch MSNBC regularly.

[DZcarry]

Excuse me?

"proof of education?

I think he means the gun safety training requirements...

[sigmanluke]

Umm....from the MSNBC article:

Looks like MSNBC told us that.

What I see this article doing is creating the concept of the "gun show permit loophole" to go along with the "gun show loophole" about background checks. I think the purpose of the article was to work to delegitimize non-resident permits, and to expand the concept of "gun show loopholes" to include permits as well as background checks.

Ummm

I obviously didn't read the whole article...uh...ya

[BlueNinjaGo]

MSNBC is right! The only reasonable solution is that every state becomes shall issue, have reasonable requirements, and have 100% reciprocity.