This is a discussion on Would you impersonate a police officer if.. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo but the resonding LEO is then going to give you commands to get you away from it. Gonzo If hes is ...
I agree with OKShooter in that identifying yourself as a Police Officer is a felony in most States. Still, I have learned, to never say never. I use to be a LEO and those of you that are former LEO’s may know that old habits are hard. In a stressful moment we revert to our lowest level of training and I’m afraid that I could instinctively yell out the ‘P’ word before my brain could fully engage. Clearly, this would not be something I would do intentionally but still.
In the abstract I suppose if it actually happened and I was forced to defend my actions, I would hope that my former credentials and tenure may help to justify any autonomic response.
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You're the one that made the statement it's up to you to prove it.Originally posted by rob99VMI04 Please show me a case were a victim of a crime on progress who was later let off for using lethal force was even charged for saying he was cop based on the scenario above.Strawman, speeding and pretending to be cop are two entirely different crimes.Originally posted by Rob99VMI04 So let me understand something. Your driving down the highway, you are fear of your life for some reason. Guy behind you is waving gun at you chasing you. You tell me your not going to break the speed limit to get away.
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Dixie Dude, This was not in Kansas at all. This was the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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No way I'd suggest that I was "police".
In this example, I need to instantly concentrate on not being a perceived threat by responding officers, and especially demonstrate open/empty hands. I don't want to be full of police bullets.
In a similar case I would also be worried about being able to properly hear a officers commands. After some sort of shooting it's likely my hearing would be somewhat impaired.
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I would think in most self defense scenarios, the shooting will be long done when five-o gets there on the scene, but in that offchance situation, when they arrive swiftly, its definitely going to be a tense situation.
Hopefully there will be enough witnesses to verify what is going on, prior to the responders arriving, and jumping into the melee,-- as in someone telling the cops," hey that guy in the blue shirt and grey ballcap(as they point to you)Is the good guy and the bad guy is around the corner".
If not ,well the day isn't going to be a walk in the park, but then just try to convey to responders that in fact you are the good guy,, and just hope it unfolds like a properly working parachute.
every situation has its own specifics,
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Trolley Square Mall is in Utah, Off. Ken Hammond was an LEO on the Ogden City (Utah) PD.. He's since been removed from the force for very inappropriate behavior, but in my mind still a hero in the Trolley Square shooting..
I live just minutes from Trolley. Glad he was there CC'ing.
Edit... just saw Kenpo's post...
I am with a County Sheriff's Office in Texas. Like others said, impersonating a peace officer is a felony. Bad Idea.
If I was in plain clothes at a Mall, or anywhere and there is a BG w/a gun running around.
Until I could safely get my credentials out to show responding officers, I would just yell at them, " I am a Deputy!! I need one more Core course to get my Intermediate Peace Officer License from TCLEOSE!!!", that way they will know I am an officer.
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About as close as I would consider getting to this is to shout, immediately after the shooting and before the cops are even called... "POLICE! [someone call the] POLICE! [I really need someone to call the] POLICE!" (alternating loud and quieter voice). This is what my concealed carry instructor suggested, BTW.
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