Taking a church in Chicago
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April 5th, 2010 08:26 PM
I agree with the above, only you an answer this question. Any chance to go for a visit to see and talk to the people there? This way you can see for yourself how the area is and help you decide.
Not bashing the op but funny how everyone that has something to say isn't from Chicago. I do have to admit that I live 30 mins away, just across the Indiana line. I do spend a lot of time in Chicago, from working, going to the movies, to dinner. Now I do drive when I go and yes some parts are bad but I wouldn't say that you have to run red lights. Everyone has their own comfort zone and maybe mine is almost non-existing cause I never feel threatened walking down the street any time of day. Maybe I'm just that lucky person out of the MILLIONS that have never been a victim while in Chicago.
April 5th, 2010 08:26 PM
We often try to put God in a box--(He has to work in "this" way....") Within the guidelines of His Holy Scriptures, God deals with each of us differently.
To some, the Call to ministry is general (I want you to be a Pastor; I want you to be a missonary....")
To others, they experience His Call in more specific ways ("I want you to be an Army Chaplain, I want you to be a missionary in____......")
The very best place to be is in the center of His will. Only you can determine HOW He is directing you. I would suggest fasting and prayer, getting alone and quiet for a time, specificially seeking direction for HIS Will.
As a personal example, when I finished my Army ministry, I was seeking His Will, and He led us to a very specific place, which, when I got the Call, I was not overly thrilled with. Now, 5 years into our stay here, we could not be happier. There is NOPLACE like the center of His Will............
Scott, US Army 1974-2004
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
- Ronald Reagan
April 5th, 2010 08:56 PM
If you want to stay close to family, I'd lean more towards the MO side than the IL one. You will get more offers to consider, pick one that satisfies both your calling and your desires.
April 5th, 2010 09:00 PM
Maybe God is planning on calling you 'home'...if so, he'd probably send you to Chicago to set up the meeting.
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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April 5th, 2010 09:20 PM
Psalm 144:1 "Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle"
April 5th, 2010 10:50 PM
Seek His will through prayer and scripture. If He is calling you to this particular opportunity, then you will feel overwhelmingly compelled to fulfill His will with this opportunity regardless of your personal desires and concerns. You would feel empty if you didn't. If you seek and do not feel the overwhelming need to go, then perhaps it is just a door on your path...not all doors that we encounter are opened and not all doors that are opened are we to walk through. When you are lead to a door that you should walk through, seek His will and you will know in your heart.
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April 6th, 2010 04:55 AM
This is not a question that anyone can answer for you.
This is a question you have to answer for yourself. How you arrive at the answer is up to you as well.
It can be through prayer, discussion and advice, but ultimately the decision will be your's and your's alone. I'm not a religious man, but there are many here that are, even some that are pastors.
If you do not know how important your Second Amendments Rights are to you at this stage of the game, then maybe they aren't that important to you. I can tell you, as an athiest, that they are very important to me. I am a one issue voter and have been since I first voted for Ronald Reagan. I can also tell you that I have been led to some places, call it a calling if you wish, where I never thought I would ever go.
Not to derail the thread, but if a man wants to know how to live his life he could do a lot worse than studying the lessons in the Bible. I sense a certain trepidation on your part with going to Chicago. That's OK, I have trepidation too, and I can go armed throughout that city.
I won't presume to tell you what to do, as it's not my place. If this is just a "job" and the Second Amendment is important to you I can't help but think you would be miserable in that city. If on the other hand the Second Amendment is "nice" but not essential to you, I think you may have some fun there. It will be what you make of it.
It's your decision to make, and your's alone. While it is right to seek counsel of others, I question if this is the appropriate forum for doing so? The reason I say that is you seem to be unsure of where you stand on the Second Amendment. Asking others how important it is speaks to me of a man that has not fully matured yet and is unable or unwilling to make his own decisions.
If this offends, rest assured that is not my intent. It is merely to provide some food for thought. Take care and stay safe,
PS: Let me just add, sometimes the things I didn't want to do turned out to be the best things I ever did as long as I approached them with an open mind.
April 6th, 2010 05:03 AM
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April 6th, 2010 07:33 AM
Exactly, Amen to this.
Originally Posted by Grantspastor
"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
April 6th, 2010 07:34 AM
You have had a lot of good responces on this topic but I'll go ahead and let you know what I think.
1) from a christian standpoint: getting a job offer doesn't mean Gods calling you as many have said. That comes through prayer only. What you really need to do here is pray. If you really feel that this is where God is sending you, then my all means go! If not, then weigh your options, keep looking.
2) From a 2A standpoint: Chicago sucks
3) From any other standpoint: Chicago sucks
So there you have it. If God is really telling you to go, well then by all means go. If you are just considering this because its your first job offer, then look elsewhere!
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(Murder begins where self-defense ends)
April 6th, 2010 08:18 AM
Nobody is going to protect you and you're not going to be allowed to protect yourself.
Can you accept that?
April 6th, 2010 10:21 AM
If you treat it like any other job offer, weigh the pros and cons, you can avoid trying to figure out if you are answering some cryptic call from a cryptic deity for you to do a specific duty.
Let's say you turn it down and get another offer, or you simultaneously get two offers. How do you know which one is a special opportunity from on high?
You don't and can't. All you can do is what seems best for you.
Go with your guts and your heart. Everything else is built in to those feelings automatically. The more you rationalize and intellectualize your decision, the more likely you are to screw up.
April 6th, 2010 12:07 PM
Obey God and if he sends you there, pray for the McDonald v. Chicago case.
I know it can be nerve-racking to make these choices as graduation nears, but there is a sweetness to hearing and obeying the Lord! Remember, he wants to guide you, "my sheep know my voice." (not a sheep vs. sheepdog remark, but a sheep in relation to the Good Shepherd comment).
April 6th, 2010 05:50 PM
and if it is where God is calling you; well you will not be happy and/or blessed elsewhere; Been there done that and it ain't fun!!
Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo
Originally Posted by hk45c
Paul speaks for Christians being slave (some make it sound nicer by tanslating it servant or bond-servant or bond slave) a rose by any other name is still a rose and a slave by any other name is still a slave!! Your job wether or not use choose ti accept it is to forget rights, as was said above you have none, and to determine where you GOD wants you. [/sermon]
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April 6th, 2010 07:39 PM
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