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    Oops, forgot my wallet.

    This morning it seems i must have zoned out, and completely forgot my wallet.

    Not knowing this, i went to grab my lunch, and when it came time to pay, reached in the back pocket, and realized it was not there. I usually carry an extra 50bucks in my car, but i had just removed it when i took it in for service.

    I was able to borrow a few bucks from a co-worker to cover the tab, but when i got outside I immediately disarmed, and locked my Glock in my trunk.

    It got me thinking. What would happen had i been, for whatever reason, approached by a LEO before disarming. Would it be just as simple as him running my name, and me answering all of his questions about my identity? Or would i have been at risk of being arrested for not having my permit on my persons?
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    Do not kow CO law but in KS it would have been an arrest for carrying a concealed weapon (depending on the LEO and the community you were in). KS says you must have 1) your DL and 2) your permit to carry. Now, for some in KS the DL and the Permit are one and the same document in that you have your choice of either an endorcement on you DL/ID card or a separate card. And you would probably lose your permit to CC. by the way; it must have been in the air, water or coffee; I did the same thing --- got to work and no billfold only difference is I can not carry at work so I only drove without a DL.

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    In some states not having your license/permit on hand is a misdemeanor with a minor fine...Even as they can look you up.
    Same as being required to have your motorvehicle operators license/permit on hand when stopped.

    In other states regardless of can they look you up or not ability you would find yourself arrested for unlawful carry, your firearm, mags & ammo confiscated by the state (good luck getting that back!), your license/permit immediately suspended/revoked (!)...and you find your name if not picture detailed in the newspaper and on community websites as being a gun crime arrest.

    I've done this twice in roughly 8 yrs. Completely strange both times.
    Most recent being 2 months ago during a late night run to see a movie...I get to the theater door and immediately realize OMG my wallet is not poking me in the bum!

    I turned on heel and drive straight home in the right lane like Morgan Freeman with Ms. Daisy behind me.
    My saving grace...In MA informing an officer upon a stop is not mandated by statute. But if he happens to look me up and come back to ask for ID and am I carrying and I lie only to be found out later that I am carrying...Problems.

    Try hard not to do this even as it can and does at times happen.

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    I keep a copy of my permit as well as a copy of my driver's license in my glove box with my registration/insurance card just in case this ever happens to me. I know a scanned copy printed out is not valid but I feel better knowing I have something to at least prove who I am as my permit does contain my picture.

    BTW, in Maine you still would be breaking the law with the gun locked in your trunk if you do not have a valid permit. In Maine one should unload the weapon and leave it in plain view on the seat as the weapon is now no longer concealed and I am not saying leave it in plain view when you are not in the car. Lock it up then. But once driving unload and leave it on the seat in plain view and you will be fine. No permit is needed to carry a weapon in your vehicle as long as it is unloaded and in plain view.

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    Were you in or out of the City of Denver?
    That can make a big difference.
    The way I see it, you are not legal to carry concealed if you do not have your permit ON you. Now you may get off with a slap on the hand by a kind judge, but I don't know.
    I'll tell ya, I have never been so obsessed with making sure I have my wallet , since I started carrying.

    My wife is almost always leaving her purse (& wallet) somewhere. So I rigged her holster to also carry her permit. Now if she has her gun (in holster,) she has her permit too.
    She may not have her purse, wallet, DL, credit cards, or cash, but she'll have that permit by golly!

    And, she NEVER carries in her purse. It is IWB, or holster & all in a pocket. She's a smart girl that way.
    It’s so much easier now days, to "Love and honor" my wife, when she is armed, and shoots a better group than I do. (Till death do us part, eh?)

    “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is, you point a gun at him,” the Sheriff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djz87 View Post
    It got me thinking. What would happen had i been, for whatever reason, approached by a LEO before disarming. Would it be just as simple as him running my name, and me answering all of his questions about my identity?
    You need to know your state's laws.

    In Oregon, the statutes and the CHL card specifically state that failure to have the CHL card with you on your person when you're carrying concealed is "prima facie evidence" of the crime of illegally concealing a firearm. In Oregon, you're a criminal if you forget your wallet, despite them damned well knowing you're licensed and KNOWN to have a license. Being an upstanding citizen, you're not a felon and you have no record of being a felon. And you're not doing anything worthy of being arrested. It's all absurd. But, it's in the statutes, and it's reality. At least here.
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    I keep my wallet, car keys, and weapon together on the night stand next to my bed. When I pick one of them up, I pick them all up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoWeBePart1 View Post
    I keep a copy of my permit as well as a copy of my driver's license in my glove box with my registration/insurance card just in case this ever happens to me. I know a scanned copy printed out is not valid but I feel better knowing I have something to at least prove who I am as my permit does contain my picture.

    Are you sure its not valid? In PA the paper version of our license is about the size of an index card, and we are told we can copy/reduce it to more manageable size.

    As to not having license on you while carrying, in PA it might get you arrested but as long as you present the license at the prelim hearing charges will be dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Are you sure its not valid? In PA the paper version of our license is about the size of an index card, and we are told we can copy/reduce it to more manageable size.

    As to not having license on you while carrying, in PA it might get you arrested but as long as you present the license at the prelim hearing charges will be dropped.

    I will have to contact my local PD that issued and ask them. I just looked and nowhere on the permit does it state it cannot be duplicated.

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    This is from Oklahoma's SDA law:

    http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Concealed_Wea...ing/index.html

    The person shall be required to have possession of his or her valid handgun license and a valid Oklahoma driver license or an Oklahoma State photo identification at all times when in possession of an authorized pistol. Any violation of the provisions of this subsection may be punishable as a criminal offense as authorized by Section 1272 of this title or pursuant to any other applicable provision of law.
    In addition to any criminal prosecution which may result from not carrying the handgun license and the required identification with the authorized pistol as required by the provisions of this subsection, the person may be subject to an administrative fine for violation of the provisions of this subsection.
    The administrative fine shall be Fifty Dollars ($50.00) and shall be assessed by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation after a hearing and determination that the licensee is in violation of the provisions of this subsection.
    Any second or subsequent violation of the provisions of this subsection shall be grounds for the Bureau to suspend the handgun license for a period of six (6) months, in addition to any other penalty imposed.
    Upon the arrest of any person for a violation of the provisions of this subsection, the person may show proof to the court that a valid handgun license and the other required identification has been issued to such person and the person may state any reason why the handgun license or the other required identification was not carried by the person as required by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act. The court shall dismiss an alleged violation of Section 1272 of this title upon payment of court costs, if proof of a valid handgun license and other required identification is shown to the court within ten (10) days of the arrest of the person. The court shall report a dismissal of a charge to the Bureau for consideration of administrative proceedings against the licensee.


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    I headed off to the beach (FL) last week with my XD40sc packed in my camera bag. Once we got there I realised that I forgot my DL and UT CFP card. I told my bro in law who also has his UT CFP. He had me stick his wallet in my bag. THe beaches were packed so I wasn't worried so much about an attack during our visit to the beach.. But this is what we came up with to atleast have it with us for protection for the family. It stayed hidden, and was not called upon.

    I haven't yet forgotten my wallet in an everyday setting in the 2 months or so that i've had my CFP (recent example was while on vacation)... But if when I do forget it i'd just leave it in my truck somewhere.
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    I did the same thing last week. I left my store for a coffee break and when I went to pay for my triple espresso at the Starbucks around the corner, I had the panic of "oh crap, no permit on me" as I had left my wallet on my work bench. Fortunately, I had enough change in my truck to cover the tab and doubly fortunate that I had no issues heading back to my store.

    I think I'm definitely going to put a copy of my permit with my insurance info. It might not help if the situation arises again, but I don't see any way it could hurt.
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    I did the same thing one day. Immediately unloaded and placed my pistol in the lock box cabled to the seat frame.
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    In Utah there is no law that requires one to produce a permit, or even have it in your possession, just that one has been issued a permit.

    76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
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    (2) The provisions of Subsections 76-10-504(1) and (2), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
    (a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
    (b) by another state or county.
    I have been thinking of leaving my permit at home, locked up with all of those evil credit cards.
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    My state is pretty sensible...the card is simply tangible proof of my legal carry status, and if it's missing from my person I'm not tossed in the dungeon...kinda like a drivers license.
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