Leo's and Permits
This is a discussion on Leo's and Permits within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I should qualify my statement above and delete "...are exempt from the VA state laws and..." because it made my statement broader than necessary to ...
April 14th, 2010 12:51 PM
I should qualify my statement above and delete "...are exempt from the VA state laws and..." because it made my statement broader than necessary to answer the question. The answer should now read "...with photo, you can carry in a restaurant..."
For further information, the folks at the VSP Firearms Transaction Center were very helpful. 804-674-2210 although I would email any question to them at firstname.lastname@example.org in order to have a record of the answer. I had a question for them regarding this topic and found them very helpful, including providing the cite to the statute that I posted above.
April 14th, 2010 01:46 PM
I still have my Texas CHL (getting renewed)
I don't keep it in order to make up for shortcomings of me being a Texas Peace Officer, In Texas I can carry anywhere/anytime (except for the usual federal places)
I keep it in case something happens to my job so I don't have to pay the full price for the class again and have to go through that whole process.
our dept does not mandate off duty carry but they strongly encourage it
we can carry our duty weapon off duty or qual with a quality weapon (approved brand by rangemaster, which is pretty liberal, just no junk guns)
I carry G17 on duty, I'm qualified with these for off-duty/backup: G30, Keltec P11, S&W 642
will your dept allow you to get a different holster or are you required to use only the one they gave you?
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April 14th, 2010 02:03 PM
Here is something I've copied and pasted. I've bolded the important parts to our discussion;
1) "an employee of a governmental agency"; (2) "authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law"; (3) have "statutory powers of arrest"; (4) "authorized by the agency to carry a firearm"
; (5) "not the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency"; (6) "meets standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm
"; and (7) "not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm." In addition, the privilege conferred by the law applies only when the individual "is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance
So, if your agency authorizes you to only carry the M&P and you are carrying something different, you are on your own and not in compliance under LEOSA.
April 14th, 2010 02:21 PM
well, they leave it pretty open. on paper they say in the SOP that any holster must be approved by the director of the training acdemy. but the one time i asked him he said no without even looking at it. (I make him sound like an *****, but he really is a decent guy) the only other holster I have seen any member of my dept carry was 2 captains. I wish I could just ask a white shirt (without getting a write up) which I would get in the least amount of trouble for: carrying with a permit, or carrying a holster that hasn't been approved. Ive been there over 2 years now. I have ran into many former inmates and gang members on the street several times. Including once when I was eating sushi on the beach with my girlfriend. so far Ive only had one bad incident off-duty, but one's all it takes. But I hear now that after July 1st concealed carry will be legal in the bars as long as you don"t drink, so there some good news.
April 14th, 2010 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by SIXTO
I guess you have to wear the holster as well.
The smart move is to stick with your agency's policy and not try to circumvent it. Your policy, like all of ours, has that catch-all language that could compromise your career.
Spend your time and energy trying to make positive change to your agency's attitude.
A good start is a short list of common off-duty guns that the agency can authorize for carry with the Officer's purchasing individually. Do your homework though and be prepared. Get your local cop shop to provide T&E's so your admin can go hands on with what you're proposing.
Training means learning the rules. Experience means learning the exceptions.
April 14th, 2010 08:56 PM
I've got a permit. Since I teach the class quite a bit, I figured it's be a good thing to have.
Arkansas has 33 states that the permit is good in.
I did fly into and carry into California on my LEO credentials though, no problems at all were encountered.
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