Removal of restrictions & credible threats

This is a discussion on Removal of restrictions & credible threats within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I know this comment won't be very helpful but I'd suggest just getting yourself a new zip code. No need to come up with *excuses* ...

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    I know this comment won't be very helpful but I'd suggest just getting yourself a new zip code. No need to come up with *excuses* for why you want a CWP in my neck of the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowpointHank View Post
    Just wait. Soon you will be able to tell the judge that the gunshot wound seems like sufficient justification!!!
    I was thinking the same thing except it was

    "So that I don't have to return and provide justification to you to get my permit after me or a family member has already been shot."
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    Sounds like New York. I had the restriction "Business Carry" removed after one year in New York, mostly because I'd had the permit for a year and not had any charges against me for anything. Technically, I put down I was getting older and there was crime in the area and one real doozy: in the past a resident in my dwelling was under federal protection as the possible target of an assassin, who had already killed a business associate - he had used a high-power rifle. Living on the premises, I could easily be taken for the target and had for certain other reasons, felt unsafe even though this situation had been in the past.

    The reasons though were really secondary, it is common after a year of restrictions for them to be removed. My county is Erie by the way.

    Restrictions are county ordinances, not state Gun Law; they are something the state allows, if counties wish, to put on the state permit which is for unrestricted carry. Some counties do, some don't. Many that do, remove them after a time, if you ask. Check others in your county for precise info - that is, if you're talking about NY State.

    On the positive side in New York, once you have an unrestricted permit, for the majority of the state: it is for life.

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    Does this Judge hear any criminal cases? What's he listen to all day everyday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handgunner View Post
    I was wondering what reasons people might give to the issuing judge why they need restrictions removed from their permit. This question is aimed at those who are not in fear from anyone past or present and can find no viable reason why their life would be in danger. After speaking with the County Clerk's office on the matter, she suggested that perhaps one might travel late at night or work away from home a couple days a week. To me, these are not particularly exception circumstances but may e acceptable enough to a judge. What reasons have our forum members given in order to achieve this goal?
    School Shootings (IL, VA, WA, AL, MI, CA)
    Ft Hood
    Luby's cafeteria (TX)
    Church shootings (WI, CO, KY, MD)
    Mall shootings (UT)

    The fact crime happens everywhere...and you go everywhere. Time of day is not a factor as the shootings listed above happened during regular daylight hours. I would go through your local paper's police blotter for your city/town, and neighboring towns....that is where you live. Why should you be limited in protecting yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handgunner View Post
    I was wondering what reasons people might give to the issuing judge why they need restrictions removed from their permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whisky19 View Post
    What county is this? Do you have to write a letter or see the judge in person? I had to do both!
    I did both also. I think part of it was the judge wanted to make sure I was serious about carrying all the time, and didn't just want to have the restrictions removed for occasional carry.

    On a more positive note, if your judge is reluctant to remove restrictions on concealed carry, their term is only 10 years. Find a pro gun candidate for county judge and work to get them elected.

    We're restoring our right to carry one judge at a time. NYC is a lost cause, though.
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    What county? Some counties will grant a restriction removal after taking a specific CCW course.

    My county doesn't have that but I'm going to try and take the course anyway and use the other counties and judges approval as precedent for cause, among some other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana View Post
    It's New York. His restricted permit currently only allows him to possess a handgun, not to carry it. He has to show a "need" to have it changed to an unrestricted permit (which allows both possession and carry.)
    I live in NYS and was given an unrestricted permit w/o having to prove anything. I don't know what county he lives in but they are not all the same. Getting my permit was easy and happened in less than 2 months.

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    I live in Ulster County, just north of Orange and a world away from the City. My original permit was Orange and I made a request to the judge there also. Got lectured at in front of the whole courtroom and 30 days to come up with a "legitimate" reason why he should remove restrictions.

    I agree with the idea of wanting to be prepared "just in case", but that doesn't fly too well in the face of liberal judges. I declined to give a written statement at the time as I couldn't think of anything genuine to write. While I realize (as much as anyone else) that threats exist and life is just waiting to kick you in the nuts, I do not walk around paranoid, merely cautious. I do not travel any place armed that I wouldn't go unarmed. I'm no cowboy and do not feel in any way stronger, faster, or more superior than if I were armed with nothing more than a sharp pencil. Crime can occur anywhere at any time to anyone, regardless of the local property tax rate.

    I travel away from home much of the time, drive late into the night, through sparsely populated areas and I am not afraid. I make cash bank deposits and make all necessary precautions against theft that I can and I'm still not afraid. I interact with many unsavory characters on a regular basis and have avoided dangerous situations with the use of my head, 11 years in the business and 38 years of life experience - never a gun. So, Your Honor, what do I have to do to be truly in fear of my life that I may legitimately carry a gun for protection?

    The Defense rests.
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