Guns and bars

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    Fortunately we can conceal carry into a bar here in Colorado with no problems as long as you're not drinking alcohol while in possesion of a firearm. I don't go to bars but if I did, I guarantee you I would be the DD for the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnowell View Post
    Different people react differently to alcohol. I can't drive safely with one beer in me, even if I'm under the .08 limit in Oregon. However, I'm not an angry/confrontational drunk at all. I've carried drinking in bars plenty of times, and have never come remotely close to trouble. I don't go to the sorts of bars where fights regularly break out, and I don't get mixed up with shady characters.

    I realize I'll probably get attacked for it, but I'm perfectly comfortable carrying while intoxicated. Plenty of people get mugged here leaving bars late at night. You have to know your own limits.
    Although I do not drink if I am carrying and visa versa, I don't understand why so many people are hating on the term "bars".

    Perhaps I am just a relaxed old fart, but I like going to my local for a pint or two and I have never had to mix it up with anyone there.

    I have traveled extensively in Europe, and in London, the pub scene is just part of daily life. (Yeah, I know how nutty they are about guns).

    It looks like everyone assumes the term "bar" is synonomous with some obnoxious rave club or a Wild West brawl.

    My local serves good food, and they have pleasant staff. I know the owner well. The place is decorated nicely, has leather seating, and is cleaner than my house. I will travel with a dedicated driver, and avoid overindulging. Does every "bar" you know erupt into nightly drunken fisticuffs? Not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Although I do not drink if I am carrying and visa versa, I don't understand why so many people are hating on the term "bars".
    I always think that some people have seen Roadhouse too many times.

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    I normally don't get too excited about Bills being passed into Law here in Va., but I'm ecstatic over the idea of being able to finally carry concealed in restaurants that serve in Va.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Cars kill far more people than firearms, but you've never heard of a law prohibiting taking you car to a bar, have yah?
    But you have heard of Drinking and Driving though right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    But you have heard of Drinking and Driving though right?
    Yup. I can drink a single beer and drive legally.

    I can have a glass of wine with dinner and drive legally.

    There are laws against driving when over the limit.

    I'd have no problem with laws against carrying when over the limit.

    It's the prior restraint that is unacceptable.

    I go when someone legislates against not only having a single drink while carrying, but even against being in a place where someone else drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    I'd have no problem with laws against carrying when over the limit.
    I would. Regulation in this area is completely unnecessary. Unnecessary laws are never a good thing.

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    Guns in bars

    What are your opinions on guns in bars?
    Some bars are used by civilized people with self control.
    Some bars are just too rowdy for guns to be carried.
    Now you have the issue of how do you legislate which ones are the former and which are the latter.
    I tend to think a bar is no place to carry a gun, a restaurant that serves drinks ok as long as the gun toter does not drink, and I would classify a restaurant with a bar in the same room as the food service area a bar and off limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Some bars are used by civilized people with self control.
    Some bars are just too rowdy for guns to be carried.
    Now you have the issue of how do you legislate which ones are the former and which are the latter.
    I tend to think a bar is no place to carry a gun, a restaurant that serves drinks ok as long as the gun toter does not drink, and I would classify a restaurant with a bar in the same room as the food service area a bar and off limits.
    You'd classify Outback, Red Lobster and numerous other places like them as bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    I tend to think a bar is no place to carry a gun, a restaurant that serves drinks ok as long as the gun toter does not drink, and I would classify a restaurant with a bar in the same room as the food service area a bar and off limits.
    Simply charging crimes of violence distinguish between the "bad" ones and the others, since it's not the venue that's the problem. The problem is the people who do violence upon innocents.

    Plenty of states do not have prohibition on the proximity or use of alcoholic beverages with respect to citizens with firearms, and the streets simply do not run red with blood in those states. Irresponsibility exists here and there, in every state. When it arises, take out the trash and handle it accordingly. Liberty is maintained and crime in the community is handled. The statutory irrelevancies that get people bangin' their sticks on the table do little to combat crime.
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    "Although I do not drink if I am carrying and visa versa, I don't understand why so many people are hating on the term "bars"."

    It is a big issue here in Virginia because "Bars" was a misnomer used quite a bit by anti-gun Senators like Morrisey and Marsh as well as our former governor(not capitalized because I have no respect for King Kane) to try and push their rhetoric about "Old West type Saloon Gunfights" running rampant if the carry bill was passed and signed into law

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalexplr View Post
    Alcohol and gunpowder do not mix!

    If you are going drinking don't carry. If you are carrying don't drink.

    The best way to avoid a gunfight is to avoid places where gunfights tend to occur.
    This isn't about drinking, it's about being able to go a a restaraunt better than a McDonald's with your family.

    If you want to eat in a Red Lobster, Outback, TGI Fridays, Applebee's.... you need this change or you have to leave your gun in the car. Guns are the most safe when you don't screw with them. They don't go bang in holsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    Weapons and alcohol do not mix period. If it serves alcohol, it's should not be allowed period.

    I would fight against it with everything I have, it's not a question of "If", but "When".

    I will say this for those who say that folks should be able to carry wherever they want and if they screw up, they deserve to loose their CCP license and such, well news story for you folks, it's always someone innocent that's on the receiving end of that screw up just like a drunk driver, someone innocent gets hurt or dies, not my wife. Stop it before it happens period!!!!!!!!!

    This is my view on it.
    Adjust yourself, calm down, and get off your high horse.

    No one is advocating drinking. I'm very glad that I can carry where alcohol is served here in Colorado, though I personally have never had a drink in my life. It means I can take my family to a decent restaurant. All the good ones serve alcohol too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticredneck View Post
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    "Although I do not drink if I am carrying and visa versa, I don't understand why so many people are hating on the term "bars"."

    It is a big issue here in Virginia because "Bars" was a misnomer used quite a bit by anti-gun Senators like Morrisey and Marsh as well as our former governor(not capitalized because I have no respect for King Kane) to try and push their rhetoric about "Old West type Saloon Gunfights" running rampant if the carry bill was passed and signed into law
    Good point. Yup, people go all nutty when they hear the word "bar" as if they are all gangster crap holes filled with angry drunks.

    When you travel, you find the local place that serves alcoholic beverages can go by many names: boozer, pub, shebeen, local, ordinary, public house, tap room, pot house, ale house, tavern, beer joint, barroom, honky tonk, lounge, nineteenth hole, saloon, &c.

    Perhaps one of those translates better.

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