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Just called Mall of America and they said "No guns."

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    The security will be on your case extremely fast and I wouldn't doubt they would just get the police involved right away rather than waiting for trouble from you. They seem to be very strict in enforcing their ways lately.

    On a side note I've seen 2 conceal/carry mishaps in the MoA restrooms, shirts slipped up too high. Neither cause civilian eyes to bat though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowhunter200 View Post
    Thanks. I read that one. It was 7 years ago. I was wondering about the current conditions.
    Hmm, good point. I didn't notice the date. I've been home with flu symptoms, so I'm not exactly up to par. Thanks for the clarification.

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    The last time I checked (and it was a while ago) the signs the MOA has posted were not technically compliant to MN law...and, also, MN law says that not only must it be posted, but they must also inform you that carry is not allowed...

    Which, when you called them...they did.

    Now, me--I've never been officially informed by them, so should I ever get "busted" carrying there, I can say I didn't see the signs and just leave, no huhu. Since you've been informed...it may be a bit more difficult (doubtful, as they'd have to remember having the conversation with you...but they just might).

    Odds are, unless you OC they won't notice, and if they do, they'll probably just ask you to leave.
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    I generally don't call places to ask legal questions to be answered by minimum wage workers. Check their website....(at the most)....check the door (at a minimum)...carry on (in this case, concealed).

    When you call places like that and speak to people who's area of expertise is not gun laws of the state, you will get a "no" answer. Sometimes they are right....sometimes they are wrong.

    Either way, it's your life. Who do you trust? Yourself? or the minion on the phone quoting a policy he/she heard...but can't show or tell you (with authoritative documentation aside from the prohibitions enacted due to their employment)?
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    Something that hasn't been addressed here is the landlord does have the say in the common areas, food court(s), playgrounds, restrooms and other non-tenant areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion46 View Post
    Something that hasn't been addressed here is the landlord does have the say in the common areas, food court(s), playgrounds, restrooms and other non-tenant areas.
    And parking lots.

    Just spoke with the lawyer / girlfriend who advised that malls are well within their right to restrict CC if they so chose, independent of that the tenants want to do.

    They can legally say no concealed carry and since you have to walk through the parking lot and common areas to get to the tenants, it's a defacto mall wide ban.

    Great rule of thumb ... property rights trump gun rights.

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    ...and no one has to know what I carry on my person....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And parking lots.

    Just spoke with the lawyer / girlfriend who advised that malls are well within their right to restrict CC if they so chose, independent of that the tenants want to do.

    They can legally say no concealed carry and since you have to walk through the parking lot and common areas to get to the tenants, it's a defacto mall wide ban.

    Great rule of thumb ... property rights trump gun rights.
    Once again, just correcting things legally. I'm guessing this stems from variations in state law.

    624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
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    (c) The owner or operator of a private establishment may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.
    Just another reminder why it's important to check the laws where you are at.

    EDIT: These are Minnesota State Statues. And for further clarification, there is State preemption, which precludes any arguments or discussion regarding local laws or ordinances.

    Subd. 23.Exclusivity.

    This section sets forth the complete and exclusive criteria and procedures for the issuance of permits to carry and establishes their nature and scope. No sheriff, police chief, governmental unit, government official, government employee, or other person or body acting under color of law or governmental authority may change, modify, or supplement these criteria or procedures, or limit the exercise of a permit to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twelveeight View Post
    Once again, just correcting things legally. I'm guessing this stems from variations in state law
    The Supreme Court has routinely came down on the side of the property owner, allowing what can and cannot be done on someone's property. Though I am not aware of any case related to carrying a firearm.

    Just as you have the ultimate say what can and cannot be brought on your property, so do the property owners of shopping centers, malls, office buildings, etc.

    I doubt you would want the Govt telling you what can and cannot be carried on your property. Mall owners enjoy that same right. Malls are private property and as such can make up any rule they see fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    The Supreme Court has routinely came down on the side of the property owner, allowing what can and cannot be done on someone's property. Though I am not aware of any case related to carrying a firearm.

    Just as you have the ultimate say what can and cannot be brought on your property, so do the property owners of shopping centers, malls, office buildings, etc.

    I doubt you would want the Govt telling you what can and cannot be carried on your property. Mall owners enjoy that same right. Malls are private property and as such can make up any rule they see fit.
    Again, not to beat a dead horse but aparently people aren't understanding concealed is concealed. What else do I need to say, if they can't see it then who the hell cares. Keep it concealed and this is all a mute issue. Enough said
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twelveeight View Post
    Once again, just correcting things legally. I'm guessing this stems from variations in state law.

    624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.
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    Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.
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    (c) The owner or operator of a private establishment may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.
    I'm thinking that one just allows you to store your firearm in your vehicle while you are inside the establishment.

    Just another reminder why it's important to check the laws where you are at.

    EDIT: These are Minnesota State Statues. And for further clarification, there is State preemption, which precludes any arguments or discussion regarding local laws or ordinances.

    Subd. 23.Exclusivity.

    This section sets forth the complete and exclusive criteria and procedures for the issuance of permits to carry and establishes their nature and scope. No sheriff, police chief, governmental unit, government official, government employee, or other person or body acting under color of law or governmental authority may change, modify, or supplement these criteria or procedures, or limit the exercise of a permit to carry.
    Preemption doesn't affect private businesses....only local govt agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1780 View Post
    Again, not to beat a dead horse but aparently people aren't understanding concealed is concealed. What else do I need to say, if they can't see it then who the hell cares. Keep it concealed and this is all a mute issue. Enough said
    OK. I agree. Point to what he and I were discussing?

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    Well, this thread is pretty clear...

    Stay armed...stay concealed (legal)...stay safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Well, this thread is pretty clear...

    Stay armed...stay concealed (legal)...stay safe!
    Another logical person, thanks for visiting and agreeing with what I am trying to convey
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    I'm thinking that one just allows you to store your firearm in your vehicle while you are inside the establishment.

    Preemption doesn't affect private businesses....only local govt agencies.
    You are correct.

    You may have a firearm in your vehicle, even if it is parked someplace that doesn't allow weapons on their property--if you have a carry permit. You can even have the weapon outside the vehicle for the express purpose of moving it to the trunk for storage/removing it when you leave. MN carry law also allows one to do this on school property.
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