Just called Mall of America and they said "No guns."

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    Just called Mall of America and they said "No guns."

    I read searches on this so I called them and the guy told me no guns. I will be visiting there in a few weeks (mite hockey tournament). I told him that only the tennant's had that right, not the landlord. He told me I was wrong. Is he programmed to tell me this? Is it ok or not? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowhunter200 View Post
    I read searches on this so I called them and the guy told me no guns. I will be visiting there in a few weeks (mite hockey tournament). I told him that only the tennant's had that right, not the landlord. He told me I was wrong. Is he programmed to tell me this? Is it ok or not? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highvoltage View Post
    If you do go armed, be prepared for a confrontation:

    Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters
    Thanks. I read that one. It was 7 years ago. I was wondering about the current conditions.

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    I believe it depends on the rental agreement but for the most part it is assumed the property owner's rights trump the rights of the lessee when talking about business property. Although this may vary state to state.
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    Good question. Allow me to shed some light on your question. I have been to the mall on multiple occassions since I have been able to carry. Let me assure you the Dumb A** that answerd the phone is completely wrong. Keep it concealed and go about your business. I have carried there probably 50+ times and have had zero problems at all. You know that they can't restrict you from carrying there as they are a landlord. The signs are posted completely wrong, off to the side on a billboard of sorts. Also the anchor tenants aren't posted, so it is complete udder BS that you can't carry there. Enjoy your trip and stay armed. Good luck my friend.
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

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    If you go there, check to make sure you are concealed. If you go through the major corner store entrances, none of them are posted. The mall entrances are posted, but not correctly. Most of us carry anyway.

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    Always a hot topic of conversation here in Minn. If you are well concealed you should have no problem, but they will escort you off property if you're noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1780 View Post
    Good question. Allow me to shed some light on your question. I have been to the mall on multiple occassions since I have been able to carry. Let me assure you the Dumb A** that answerd the phone is completely wrong. Keep it concealed and go about your business. I have carried there probably 50+ times and have had zero problems at all. You know that they can't restrict you from carrying there as they are a landlord. The signs are posted completely wrong, off to the side on a billboard of sorts. Also the anchor tenants aren't posted, so it is complete udder BS that you can't carry there. Enjoy your trip and stay armed. Good luck my friend.

    No...not really. MOA is private property and they can create whatever rules they want. Like most malls, it is listed in their Rules that firearms are prohibited. Generally, only main mall entrances are posted with the Rules.

    I don't know about MOA personally, but I'm sure if you are seen carrying you will be asked to leave. You are not breaking any laws unless you refuse to leave when they ask you to.

    That said....Concealed is concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    No...not really. MOA is private property and they can create whatever rules they want. Like most malls, it is listed in their Rules that firearms are prohibited. Generally, only main mall entrances are posted with the Rules.

    I don't know about MOA personally, but I'm sure if you are seen carrying you will be asked to leave. You are not breaking any laws unless you refuse to leave when they ask you to.

    That said....Concealed is concealed.
    Thank you for your imput, however as I live in MN I believe I understand the local laws here. Yes MOA is private property, but I am telling you how it actually works here. Landloards can't restrict you from carrying, this is left to the individual tennants. I agree cocealed is concealed, and the worst that will happen is being asked to leave if you are discovered.If you choose not to leave and the police become involved, the worst that will happen is you will leave with a ticket for $25.00. Well worth the fee in regards to protecting my family IMHO.Just don't let it be seen and you wont have any problems. Enough said!
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

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    Most retail outlets of this nature will incorporate something to the effect of "No Guns" in their lease. When the tenant signs it, they in essence agree to the terms and therefore no guns. The tenant itself may have no voice after signing the completely legal document. If you want to break the law and carry concealed, just be prepared for any outcome such as an arrest or a citation. I personally think gun carriers should respect the law - and above that - the property owner. Whether you like it or not, they (we) have rights too. Should be able to say what goes takes place, including firearms carry, on private property. If everyone disregards a property owner's right to ban firearms carry it will just open the door for laws to be intoduced to ban in more than private property.

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    If it's not posted corectly you won't be illegal so I would NEVER call and ask. By calling they can always say you were verbally told not to carry. If you don't call then you're legal and if it's concealed they will never know. Learn the laws of your area and follow them but DON'T call a mall, store, etc.. You're just asking for a sticky situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyboyLDB View Post
    Most retail outlets of this nature will incorporate something to the effect of "No Guns" in their lease. When the tenant signs it, they in essence agree to the terms and therefore no guns. The tenant itself may have no voice after signing the completely legal document. If you want to break the law and carry concealed, just be prepared for any outcome such as an arrest or a citation. I personally think gun carriers should respect the law - and above that - the property owner. Whether you like it or not, they (we) have rights too. Should be able to say what goes takes place, including firearms carry, on private property. If everyone disregards a property owner's right to ban firearms carry it will just open the door for laws to be intoduced to ban in more than private property.
    As far as the legal concerns, this statement may be true in other states, but it is clearly defined here in Minnesota Statute:

    624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES
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    Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.
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    (e) A landlord may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.
    I am neither condoning nor condemning any statement on respect of private property; just clarifying the legal situation.

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    You know what the law is. Don't call. Don't ever call.

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    You better be damn careful that' s Gecko's turf. You better not get W/ in 10 feet of the Mortal Kombat machine and stay the hell out of the bathrooms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    You better be damn careful that' s Gecko's turf. You better not get W/ in 10 feet of the Mortal Kombat machine and stay the hell out of the bathrooms
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