Is gun control class warfare?

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    Interesting.
    I believe a big part of gun control is historically to keep blacks from having guns, particularly in the south.
    Gun control has a history almost as strange as the Jim Crow laws.
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    There is no doubt that GC is class warfare- straight from the parody of Marxist-Leninist heritage: "All are equal; some are more equal than others.....".

    To combat this:

    1) Nationalist, anti-Globalist movement.
    2) Severe tax penalties for corporations of American origination "outsourcing" more than 5% of core/support services.
    3) Reciprocal trade laws; ie, Japan allows 10,000 US-made autos in, per annum, with a 40% tarriff, we reflect their policies.
    4) Civil liberties/social services do not apply to non-citizens. Period.
    5) Voter validation. Drivers license and SS card required to vote.
    6) English as the National Language.

    If one feels any or all of these to be discriminatory/racist, I would commend Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire to their immediate attention. A Constitutional Republic cannot survive globalistic inclusivism. If the Dark Ages sound like a period of history that was fun to live in, we should certainly continue as we have been.........

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    Wow I thought I might get flamed on this one but it seems that once again I'm in good company. The point of my argument was to find the common denominator for the anti movement. The ones at the top know better but the sheeple still follow them. This dose seem to tie together the Hollywood, political, media, and billionaire types in to one agenda. They don't want to just take guns they want your freedom and independence too. That was one of the conclusions to Kople's book; the more freedom people have the greater the occurrence of crime. So what do we do become a fascist state to eliminate crime? Great freedom comes with even greater responsibility. BTW Kople's book did point out gun control was started along with drug control to keep African Americans under control. In other countries it was the fear of the anarchists and bolshivics ruining the corporate economy.
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    Keep in mind what some ANTIs have said....

    An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax... on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham", whose "cowardly practice of `toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights." -Comment, Carrying Concealed Weapons, 15 Va L. Reg. 391, 391-92 (1909), George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, "Gun Control and Racism," Stefan Tahmassebi, 1991, p. 75]

    "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." -Hillary Clinton, 1993

    "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." -Heinrich Himmler

    "Our ultimate goal total control of handguns in the United States is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors totally illegal." -Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., "A Reporter At Large: Handguns," The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

    "Yes, I'm for an outright ban [on handguns]." -Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., 60 Minutes interview

    "I honestly think and I am not an expert on the amendments I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say, 'Sorry. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison.'" -Rosie O'Donnell, April 21, 1999

    "[The United States] can't be so fixed on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..." - President Bill Clinton March 1, 1993 during a press conference in Piscataway, NJ.

    "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution." - H.J. Res. 81, Jan.27, 1993.

    AND from that glittering jewel of colossal ignorance, Dianne Feinstein...
    (notice the last paragraph, where it is OK for HER to have a concealed weapon, to bad about the rest of us serfs.)


    "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." -U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," February 5, 1995, speaking about her authorship of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban

    "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe." -U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, quoted by the Associated Press, November 18, 1993

    "Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn't detonate. ... I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home" "And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me." -U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat from California
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    My feeling is that some gun control is a class tool but gun bans and overly restricting carry is not.

    The affluent are outnumber by the "lower classes" so they want to even the odds by making sure they have access to guns while making it more difficult for those "less desirable" to have access to them.

    Barriers to entry rather than bans. Restrict full-auto ownership so it costs a 5 figure sum to buy a full-auto weapon, check people background to make sure they are the "right kind" of person before issuing CCW permit etc.

    At the end of the day the rich know that criminals will always be able to get cheap illegal guns, they would be crazy to restrict gun ownership too much as that would leave them defenceless.

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    "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe." -U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, quoted by the Associated Press, November 18, 1993
    I think this is also a part of the liberal response to handguns. By banning them they will "feel" safe. No matter that they will actually be less safe. It's not reality that counts but how they feel. Not facts, emotions.

    There is also a definite element of elitism in the whole process. While Rosie O'Donnell can spout her garbage, every time she walks out the door she has an armed body guard with her.
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    goawayfarm,
    you forgot the best quote from King George the Second, when lobbying Senators for passage of the Patriot Act last year said,
    The Constitution is just a G*dD*amn piece of paper.
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    Tells you how the "Elites and the Politicians" really feel about the Contract between the US Government and the US Citizens.

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    Hey Jungle, you forgot that President Reagan banned any further production or importation of "machine guns" that could be transferred to private citizens in 1986.

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    I joined the NRA as a Life Member as a form of protest against the elite. I do believe that gun control is a form of class warfare but I do weigh that against the fact that I'm a Hispanic male originating from the projects of Harlem where (in the five boroughs of NYC) the Sullivan Law and its supporters reigns supreme. I think that law came about thanks for the 19th Century/early 20th Century views of the (then) Irish political machine that felt threatened by the new wave of (Italian and other European) immigrants coming to NYC in droves. Trying to institute some controls...control of the gun was one way to stifle freedom to those new Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan
    After reading many books, watching the news, and seeing some debates It suddenly seemed to me that gun control (from the top at least) could be just social class warfare issue.
    I have thought on this a lot. It does not seem to me to be a class issue so much as an ideological issue. It is the left-wingers against the right-wingers. Behind those labels are the fundamental personality issues--what the person's concept/opinion is of the use of force.

    Left-wingers do not believe an individual should be able to force anyone to do anything; only the state should be allowed to use force--and even then, only as an admission of failure. Human beings are perfectable, left-wingers believe, but only the state can perfect them. (Certainly not "religion" which they see as a throw-back to the dark ages.) The state is the supreme entity. If the state has done its job perfectly, everyone will be perfect and force will not need to be used. We only then need to explain to people where their mistakes are and, being enlightened, they will correct themselves automatically.

    Right-wingers believe that the individual is the supreme entity (on Earth), and should be able to use force to protect himself and even to advance himself. The state is a necessary evil; it must be strong enough to provide clean drinking water, bridges and roads, but not so strong as to interfere with the natural life of its citizens. It should certainly not be the final arbiter on the rights of its citizens.

    You can see where this leads: The LW believes in the word (explaining everything); the RW believes in the act (doing everything).

    LWers actually believe that if people aren't obeying the law, more signs will make their transgressions clear to them. Or more laws. But don't enforce any laws--that would entail (ugh) the use of force. RW don't believe in too much palaver; they just want to get things done, and a forceful act is usually the most efficient way.

    That attraction to the written word is why the left is so entranced with the media, and essentially controls it in the upper circles. And the right's attraction to the deed is why we have successfully (and nearly silenbtly) obtained "shall isue" CCW laws in what--36? states, all the while the left is fulminating daily against private guns and the pernicious individual use of force they represent.

    (For more along these lines, see: "WHY IS THE LEFT AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO OWN GUNS?" about 3/4 of the way down at: http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...reply&p=132198)

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    Just from being on other gunsites

    and talking to other gunowner, we ALL know the constitution better than Justice Steavens. Since the education system has done everything to remove every vestige of our heritage, I really believe it is because we stronger to our rights. Even the RINOs don't like conservatives because we don't comprimise.

    Shoot, it's easier for a marxist to get control if the populace has no means of resistence. Marx himself called for gun control because of this reason. Thus all incarnations from National Socialism, to the USSR to the modern liberal they realize that.

    Gun owners are hated for the some of the same reasons Christians are hated, including the fact we don't kowtow to them.

    I also think some of it is jelosy. Because the modern marxist (using the French model during the riots this last year) would rather just lie down and hope for the best. Those of us who carry, continue the legacy of our forefathers, hoping that we never have to draw in anger but refusing to be victims. I'm just guessing, but I don't think they can handle the thought of someone having enough guts to stand up to evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tholzel
    I have thought on this a lot. It does not seem to me to be a class issue so much as an ideological issue. It is the left-wingers against the right-wingers. Behind those labels are the fundamental personality issues--what the person's concept/opinion is of the use of force.

    Left-wingers do not believe an individual should be able to force anyone to do anything; only the state should be allowed to use force--and even then, only as an admission of failure. Human beings are perfectable, left-wingers believe, but only the state can perfect them. (Certainly not "religion" which they see as a throw-back to the dark ages.) The state is the supreme entity. If the state has done its job perfectly, everyone will be perfect and force will not need to be used. We only then need to explain to people where their mistakes are and, being enlightened, they will correct themselves automatically.

    Right-wingers believe that the individual is the supreme entity (on Earth), and should be able to use force to protect himself and even to advance himself. The state is a necessary evil; it must be strong enough to provide clean drinking water, bridges and roads, but not so strong as to interfere with the natural life of its citizens. It should certainly not be the final arbiter on the rights of its citizens.

    You can see where this leads: The LW believes in the word (explaining everything); the RW believes in the act (doing everything).

    LWers actually believe that if people aren't obeying the law, more signs will make their transgressions clear to them. Or more laws. But don't enforce any laws--that would entail (ugh) the use of force. RW don't believe in too much palaver; they just want to get things done, and a forceful act is usually the most efficient way.

    That attraction to the written word is why the left is so entranced with the media, and essentially controls it in the upper circles. And the right's attraction to the deed is why we have successfully (and nearly silenbtly) obtained "shall isue" CCW laws in what--36? states, all the while the left is fulminating daily against private guns and the pernicious individual use of force they represent.

    (For more along these lines, see: "WHY IS THE LEFT AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO OWN GUNS?" about 3/4 of the way down at: http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...reply&p=132198)

    Once again, I believe you are trying to stereotype us as brutes and thugs eager to do violence at the drop of a hat. Further more, I do not carry my weapon in hopes to advance myself. I carry it so that my family and I have a better chance of reaching an advanced age.

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    I think we agree that we are talking about people control not gun control. It seem in 1934 they wouldn't put people in jail for misuse of firearms- lets just make it harder for a law abiding citzen. True story-A guy gets arrested for carrying a gun is offered 1 year probation as a plea. He decides to take his chances at a jury trial. It takes 5 days to go through the trial. He is found guilty. The Judge sentences him to.....
    1 year probation.

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