It's so easy to make a mistake...

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    Exclamation It's so easy to make a mistake...

    This is exactly why you can NEVER assume anything is as it appears in any public critical incident: Read this article at Woman stabs 4 in Southern Calif. Target store - Yahoo! News, and then try to imagine if you were one of the people in the store who "mistook him [the LEO] for a gunman, adding to the sense of panic", and you had then decided to open fire on him. It would have been tragic.

    Scary stuff, and the reason why phoning 911 in such a confusing situation is normally the wisest thing to do.

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    "Mankini said Grant, a five-year veteran of the department, was authorized to have a weapon in the store. "


    I am so happy Kansas is as far away from any coast as is posible.
    I'm not a lawyer or a LEO, just a pantload with a computer.

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    Two good rules here:

    1. ALWAYS identify your target.
    2. NEVER get into a "third party" defense unless you know the actors involved and saw the full situation from the start.

    Is the scruffily-dressed man holding a business-suited man at gunpoint in an alley a mugger or an undercover cop making a drug arrest?

    Is the man punching a woman in the face a wife beater or someone defending themselves from a hooker's vicious knife attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTsnub View Post

    "Mankini said Grant, a five-year veteran of the department, was authorized to have a weapon in the store. "


    I am so happy Kansas is as far away from any coast as is posible.
    I know, I thought that was the strangest statement: Not really sure why a LEO, or anyone else, would need an authorization to carry a concealed weapon in a Target store, or any other store (unless it was posted as "no guns"?).

    Hate to think what kind of authorization paperwork a regular citizen would need in order to carry in a Kansas (make that California) Target store!

    -Bill
    Last edited by Will B. Droopy; May 5th, 2010 at 08:46 AM. Reason: Kansas correction

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    Just a CCW permit ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will B. Droopy View Post
    Hate to think what kind of authorization paperwork a regular citizen would need in order to carry in a Kansas Target store!
    Uh, wasn't that in Southern California...
    Knowing is half the battle.

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    Seems like you'd find a lot of guns in a TARGET store.
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    Why would anyone draw and fire on this person?

    1) He has self identified to be a POLICE OFFICER.
    2) He is actively stating to an aggressor holding TWO BLOODY KNIVES to drop the weapons and go to the ground. [This alone is a strong clue that he is a GG!]
    3) He is not being aggressive toward any other person(s) but that of the person(s) who are looking like and/or actually being a threat(s)...Never mind yelling at the top of her lungs crazy person rantings about witness protection being non-existent.

    As always nothing ever occurs in a vacuum.
    You have to look at the totality of the situation as being _facts_ among and within context to the overall condition as it relates to the situation at hand and unfolding.

    People do not normally walk around being deaf, dumb and looking through pinhole lens glasses.

    OMG...I saw a GUNNNN and a man holding it!!!




    Any civilian who would even think to draw muchless fire on a person acting as such above would not only be wrong in their judgment but would be stupid to boot.

    You gotta use your noodle and think BEFORE you act.

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    Janq's is absolutly right.......

    The burden of thinking first (and quickly) is on us.
    "Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008

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    This is why such stories must be remembered and repeated and shared with CCW classes, and a good reason to have them.

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