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    Geez, have you ever made someone

    That wasn't even in the store?

    At lunch I went into town to do some errands (from work) and stopped at Bi-Mart (an Oregon store).

    As I was walking pass the toy section, a boy, about 5 or 6 I guess, comes running out and strikes me on the right hand side (my strong side). I am six foot tall, he was about maybe 3' 1".

    After I help him off the floor, he looks at me (rubbing his forehead), goes to his mom and says, "Mom, his side is hard like daddy's".

    She just looked at me and kinda grinned a bit, apologized, and moved on.

    Now this kid hit me square on the butt of the HP that I was carrying and from what he said, could only guess that his father carried right hand side also (either that or his father has hips of steel).

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    Haha - I'll bet a cent to a dollar the kids Pop carries

    I had something similar - well re the ''collision'' - coupla years back loading up a plate at Chinese buffet - bit cramped with folks getting stuff and kid comes to squeeze in between me (strong side) and a parent - the way kids do!!

    He (I think it was) - pushed into the near non-existent gap and so more than firmly applied pressure to his left arm from my piece. He ceased the ''space invasion'' then and stepped back tho nothing was said! Guess he was 8 or 9 and probably in some way ''knew''!!
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    Ha Ha!
    It’s so much easier now days, to "Love and honor" my wife, when she is armed, and shoots a better group than I do. (Till death do us part, eh?)

    “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is, you point a gun at him,” the Sheriff said.

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    had a kid smack off my 1911 once and gave a little complaint

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    My daughter was playing a few years back and smacked my side, which happened to have my HK USP on it. she was rather suprised at how her hand hurt. Now both my girls know not to mention dad carrys a gun to anyone.
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    I was in a convenience store standing in line. The guy in front of me, forgot something and turned around quickly, I guess not knowing I was there. When he did, the back of his hand hit squarely, on the side of my weapon, it sounded like it hurt. His eyes got about the size of golfballs, he apoligized, I said no problem. He went and retrieved the item/items, he forgot and got back in line right behind me, I offered him his place back in line, he said no you just go on ahead. I was thinking the worst, because, of his reaction, he knew he didn't bust his knuckles, on my cell phone. I was waiting on the dreaded man with a gun call, but I worried for nothing, I guess after the initial shock, it wasn't an issue with this guy.
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    At family gatherings the sisters in law like to hug my strong side. Maybe they think I'm just happy to see them :)
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    I was made by dear ol' grandma at Thanksgiving once. After she hugged me and felt my gun, she gave me a really hard look and said, "Now Betty, we're all friends here, so you take that thing off and put it in your vehicle!"

    So I locked that gun in the glove compartment.

    She somehow missed all the gear my brother was toting.

    Another time was during the incident where a drunk pedestrian darted out on front of my pickup and collided with me. A passerby felt it was her duty to give me a hug...
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa

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    Not me being "made", but humorous anyway:

    Many years ago, the Pope visited Baltimore, and a contingent of EMS folks from across the state came up to help cover the processional area.

    The Secret Service was all over it. We all had backgrounds run, and were issued special pins for our uniforms for recognition, etc.

    During the procession, an individual decided to kill themselves by jumping out a high window, on the parade route. One of our medics was the closest unit, and went to the scene a scant hundred yards from their staging point.

    There was nothing to do for the patient, so they crew covered the body (this was right by a throng of onlookers) and waited for the police.

    A rather unkept looking guy kept creeping closer to the scene, and the medic kept telling him to stay back. Finally, she put her hand on his chest to walk him back from the scene. And discovered the SMG under his jacket.

    Not every Secret Service agent wears a suit and tie....

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    The other weekend, my son lifted my shirt on my strong side while we were standing in line at the parts store. I heard one person say something in the back of another line but that was all. We got our parts and headed out.


    Several years ago, I was walking through the mall and saw a guy with a solid BLACK fanny pack wearing it in the front too. I kinda of grinned and his wife smacked him in the arm and was saying something to him, I could only guess that she had told him it wouldn't work.
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    I once had a coworker give me a friendly pat on the area between my armpit and nipple, right where I had a Taurus 85CH in a belly band. She remarked on how "hard" my muscles were, but walked away with a very puzzled look on her face.

    Another time, I had a Charter Arms 38 in a coat pocket in a movie theater. At the end of the show, it FELL OUT as we all stood up and made a rather loud clatter. The complete stranger in front of me looked down in the dark. I said, "I'll get it." He replied, "No, it's OK." The look on his face when he found out what had fallen was priceless. We were both mortified, but for entirely different reasons. I was desperately trying to come up with multiple resolution scenarios. Luckily, he backhanded it to me, and got his wife clear in record time.

    I was in court one day, and had to point out to a police officer that one of his "brothers" had shifted around enough to expose the duty sidearm that had been uncovered by a suit coat.

    At a new EMS job orientation, an off-duty cop purposefully bumped me to find out if the square black bag on my hip contained a firearm. He never said anything to me, but shortly afterward my supervisor "casually" mentioned that the company did not condone firearms. Oops!

    Here's an interesting scenario: You are working on an ambulance when you are dispatched to the local jail. Upon arrival, the CO tells you that the patient is inside the cell block. You are carrying, but your agency will probably have some serious heartburn if they find out. What do you do?

    Different scenario: Wife was involved in a MVC while purse carrying. Surrendered her firearm to State Trooper. He couldn't figure out how to safe the weapon, handed it to her while she was being secured to a backboard for her to do it.

    Another: Wife was at Wallyworld shopping. Apparently spent too much time looking at the linens and was approached by store security. Accused of shoplifting into her purse. You guessed it! She refused to empty her purse, and was threatened with arrest (in VA, only armed security has arrest powers). She suggested they call the police. She then informed the cop of her situation. He observed as she emptied her purse, apparently quite amused at the whole situation. When the H&K USP .40 came out, security FREAKED! Started yelling about how she was going to rob the store. After the cop got everything calmed down, he told them that she was free to continue shopping. Security asked the cop to stick around just in case! That dude got a good lecture from the cop.

    Lastly, and I didn't mean for this to go so many different ways. I was working alone on a wheelchair van, and sent to pick up a wheelchair bound patient that needed to go to the airport (pre 9/11). I was assured that all I had to do was drop off the patient at the ticket counter. Right..... The agent directed me to an elevator. At the security point, there is a sign that says, "No guns, no knives, no mace, no jokes." I was directed to take the patient to the gate. I informed the security agent that I had "some" of the items on the list. He told me to leave them with him. Dang! I told him that actually, I had ALL the items on the list. Then I am approached by an airport cop and questioned. I advised that I had a CCW. Next comes a Lieutenant with a bad attitude. I am escorted to the cop office and detained for questioning. A report is made, and the serial number of the firearm is run through NCIC. At no point did anyone ever ask me to surrender the firearm! The LT tells me that bringing the firearm onto airport property is a violation of FAA rules, and that I will get a letter from the FAA banning me from the airport (never came). Finally after about 30 minutes, the original officer advises me that the firearm is clean, and that they can't find anything to charge me with, since I declared the weapon at the security point. I am released. I was unable to secure the firearm inside the wheelchair van (my first idea) because there were no lockable compartments in the van, and the door lock was busted.
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    Ha ha ha! Those are some good ones, paramedic7002.
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    para, that's too many close-calls, bro!

    Couple of thoughts, from someone who's carried in frequently less-than-permissive environments:

    Fanny pak. The best I've found was actually a "cheapie" from Bagmaster, that uses a Velcro and snap closure, and has closed cell foam padding on both sides of the weapon pouch. No bump-n-grope would disclose you. I used mine a a duty-pouch, with my ears, pocket mask, gloves, multi-tool and so forth in the body, and a shears/mini-mag/hemostat holster on the belt. The only caveat is that it has to become your routine mode of "tool" carry, so as not to be conspicuous.

    "Pocket guns need holsters (and love) too....."
    A Keltec, Seecamp, or mini-Beretta, are all much easier to carry and stash, than a service caliber. More acceptable in court, too, I would posit: "I had to fight Mo'Spanky off with my little 6 shot .32....", vs. Ms. Spanky, "He shot my lovely baby boy with a 16 shot .40 caliber Po-lice gun! This man s'posed to be a "Lifesaver"?!?!?"

    The airport deal. Stash under the dash. Most vehicles still have accessible dead-space there. Which is more likely: being "made", or having the vehicle stolen? Though you did not break any laws, a smart TSA rep will know that basically all EMS agencies/services prohibit carry. A couple of calls, and a strongly worded letter to the State BEMS can get your license pulled. My personal take on the scenario of a running gunbattle, as an EMT, was that A) if I'm in arms reach, I'm going to stab/beat someone to death, and take their gun, or B) I'm using someone-not my partner - as a human shield. Both of those assuming that option 1A (Bug the Hell Out) was not possible.

    Honestly, some good bare hand grappling, edged weapons/improvised weapons exposure would be more legally defensible in all respects. YMMV, and obviously, you do what you feel you need to do to go home, but in general, especially in EMS, this situation has great potential for crumpling your life up, and flushing it down the pooper.

    Not flaming, just my $.02

    TN now allows EMS to carry.......

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    I've never made anyone, but I was made once.... By a 4 year old!

    Heh, OK, I was at best buy looking into a new surround sound system. Was also drooling over a 52" HDTV, and made the joke at the guy helping me, that 'it just might be worth my wife killing me for'.

    At this point my daughter (4 years old at the time) decides it's time to enter the conversation.

    'Is she going to shoot you with the gun in your pocket daddy?'

    I don't know what was worse, the look of utter horror on the sales guy's face, or, the embarassment of being made in such a fashion.

    I gave him a quick explanation that I have a CHL, and appologised for her, at which point we decided to go look at circuit city.....
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    I have been made acouple of times mostly by kids, I had one run smack into my 1911 and fell backwards to the floor pretty hard, kept rubbing his forehead.

    Some people are easy to make. The fanny pack wearers.( i am one too) who have a huge fanny pack and still have thier pockets full of keys,wallets, phones, and change. Thats always funny to see.

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