Questions asked at VA Clinic

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    I'm so sick of hearing this come around every so often.
    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    The ONLY way those questions can have any affect on your Second Amendment rights, is if you have been ADJUDICATED mentally deficient
    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    The difference is "have you be ajudicated or determined to be" mentally deficient and so on. This could only be determined by an MD or court or both, not by an interview at the front desk.
    The key word, as stated above is ADJUDICATED.
    Adjudication is a LEGAL PROCESS ( judges, courts, etc.), not a questionnaire by a doctor or nurse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    Are you suggesting that if vets are feeling one or more of those emotions that they lie and don't seek help?
    I have personally taken part in some of that "help". The first question involves whether you would like to explore the drug route for stress.

    "No thanks..."

    The second is a counseling experience that can best be described as condescending and juvenile.

    "During this week, write down your feelings and thoughts..."

    I quit going soon after and my chief "support group" is my family. It has proven to be the most effective means of re-aligning my cranial orientation.

    I had suspected something like this, but the reporting to DHS is new to me, and if true, quite chilling. I guess they are really taking Napolitano's report under heavy advisement. I wasn't planning on using the VA anytime soon anyway.

    The place itself is just too darned depressing.

    As a Disabled Vet myself, I have tried that route for my personal demons, and it was found wanting.

    Not suggesting any lies (though under these circumstances, I guess I really am), but I would suggest to ANY fellow Vet that he or she look elsewhere for real help.

    Churches, family, and even AA or some such program is preferable to the currently approved emotionally castrating approach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonk View Post
    The second is a counseling experience that can best be described as condescending and juvenile.

    "During this week, write down your feelings and thoughts..."
    Man, I haven't had to answer anything like that since the second grade when we had to tell: what we did during the summer.
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    OK.....TODAY answering their stupid questions has no effect; what about TOMORROW once those answers are in your records they are there forever. Remember this is the federal government we are dealing with and we KNOW they pay no attention to ex post facto law prohibitions (think Lautenberg).

    My rule of thumb.......LIE LIE LIE and LIE some more

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    Seriously... The US Army is actively conducting a campaign to paint all soldiers who carry concealed or openly as insane.

    We get it on AFN commercials, both downrange and in Germany, as well in periodic and post and pre-deployment briefings.

    And I have seen with my own eyes how fast a guy with minor problems goes from "questionnaire" to being stripped of his freedoms by the military, and have no question in my mind some of the bureaucratic hacks at the VA would go there in a heartbeat.

    I have a friend who admitted, in a regular mandatory counselling session, that 10 years prior, when breaking up with his wife, that he had suicidal thoughts. The system has worked to make his life a living hell since then (2003). He lost his clearance, and with it, his ability to make a living in his trade. They took his weapon from him in theater and had an escort to point out that he was a threat to himself or others for the remaining 4 months of his combat tour. He bears up with it better than I could've, which points to his real resiliency and sanity, but I'd bet he cannot buy a pistol or carry in his home state to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    Seriously... The US Army is actively conducting a campaign to paint all soldiers who carry concealed or openly as insane.
    Having been "in", I am all too aware of the Lance Corporal Underground of information. I'm sure the Army has a similar "News Source"...

    The problem is, we saw our Commands pull some absolutely amazing crap on us, so we learned that even the most outlandish things could very well be true.

    Examples of the above quoted assertion would be interesting. I don't want to de-rail, so PM me if possible please.

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    I don't think it needs a PM, as it's central to the issue:

    I can't provide you proof, as I don't know how to get hold of it, but AFN radio runs a 30 second slot that basically says:

    "If you or your buddy feels the need to carry a loaded gun once you get back CONUS, you are suffering from a mental disorder and need to get treatment immediately."

    The commercial then goes on to report anyone you know who carries a loaded gun to report it through the chain of command and/or treatment professionals.

    They run the darned thing several times a day.

    Let me see if I can find the page that addresses this in the Global Assessment Tool I just completed on AKO. It also apes this same line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    This is why so many myths are pepetuated on the internet. The questions are intended to detect possible PSTD. No more--no less.
    While what you say is true, I always have been careful to avoid contaminating my medical records. When I started using the VA medical care several years ago, it was obvious where these type of questions were headed. Therefore, I made certain that the safest answer was given to each question. Afterward I was told that I had made a zero which was unusual for a combat veteran. I asked what a zero meant. I was told that I had no symptoms of any problem whatsoever. In all honesty everyone would have some symptoms to some of the questions.

    I once had a client who lost his top secret civilian clearance because of VA medical records which he had approved for release to his government employer. Some say HIPPA will protect us from that. They overlook the fact that in all those forms that they have signed they have authorized realease of some medical information.
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    120mm dont think the ads are targeting CCW holders.
    The whole campaign is in regards to PTSD and it also mentions sleep disorders, paranoia, violent feelings or actions, depression, suicidial thoughts, drinking to much, using drugs and yes mentions carrying a weapon. There is an entire campaign of commercials telling vets to get help for themselves, friends or family.
    My take on it was not for a returning soldier that has legally gone through the process of obtaining a permit, training and paid your money, I think they may be talking about someone who because of high levels of paranoia and stress feels the need to carry a handgun or holed up in the bedroom with a shotgun waiting for the insurgents to come.
    That is just my take on it. I have not, fortunately, had to sit through the debriefings so I dont know what they say.

    120mm I finally made it to the Baghdad area and am currently at FOB Kalsu give me a shout
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    120mm I finally made it to the Baghdad area and am currently at FOB Kalsu give me a shout
    And I am at Sather next to the BIAP if either of you are ever in the area

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    120mm dont think the ads are targeting CCW holders.
    The whole campaign is in regards to PTSD and it also mentions sleep disorders, paranoia, violent feelings or actions, depression, suicidial thoughts, drinking to much, using drugs and yes mentions carrying a weapon. There is an entire campaign of commercials telling vets to get help for themselves, friends or family.
    My take on it was not for a returning soldier that has legally gone through the process of obtaining a permit, training and paid your money, I think they may be talking about someone who because of high levels of paranoia and stress feels the need to carry a handgun or holed up in the bedroom with a shotgun waiting for the insurgents to come.
    That is just my take on it. I have not, fortunately, had to sit through the debriefings so I dont know what they say.
    Your description is accurate, but they do not specify anywhere that legal CCW is the exception. And, since the Army is a bureacracy, and bureaucratic drones get promoted for CYA, I see really, really bad consequences (intended or unintended) for this.

    You ask me, the whole PTSD thing is less "we care for the troops" and more "we care for our careers and funding, so will make egregious errors in the name of risk aversion." In my 27 years with the Army, I've seen stuff like this again and again, and it always turns out badly.

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    Not a problem I tend to have gun will travel on occasion. My next stop will be Husinaya. Just came through BIAP/Sather damn will have to hook up when I get by there again.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrone View Post
    You might want to pass this to everyone that you know,who is a veteran.

    From a friend who is a veteran:



    I had a doctorís appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found something very interesting I would like to pass along...
    While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions.

    (1. Did I feel stressed?
    (2. Did I feel threatened?
    (3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?

    The nurse then informed me, if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.

    Looks like they are going after the vets." Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners as potential terrorists. If you are a veteran, you've been warned. If you know veterans, please pass this on to them.
    Well I hope that your "friend" didn't believe the nurse, but I have a feeling that they did. Total "BS". First, how did the nurse know your friend had a ccp? Second, The ONLY way those questions can have any affect on your Second Amendment rights, is if you have been ADJUDICATED mentally deficient <thanks usmcj> THe entire concept of the post is rediculious. But here are some good answers!

    (1. Did I feel stressed? Not while I'm carrying I don't!
    (2. Did I feel threatened? Always, thats why I carry!
    (3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone? Only when the need arises!
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