You might want to read this thread. As I stated in that one I keep a copy of my DL and CFP in my glove box.
This is a discussion on I goofed last night within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Well it was late last night, round about 10, and a friend calls me and explains she's having a get together etc, at her new ...
Well it was late last night, round about 10, and a friend calls me and explains she's having a get together etc, at her new apartment.
Well her new place is about an hour north of me, in a city with a high crime rate, and I wasn't planning on drinking so the XD .45 goes IWB, I grab my cellphone, keys, knife, flashlight, and head out the door.
I'm about half way there when I realize I hadn't had anything to eat all day (work was busy) so I pulled off at a Sheetz (it's a gas station fast food) to grab a quick bite. Now usually when I get out of my car every time I do the "pat down" which is my systematic checking of pockets for everything previously mentioned. XD concealed? Check. Phone? Check. Knife? Check. Flashlight? Check. Keys? Check. Wallet?..... Wallet? .....WALLET?!
A hollow and pitting feeling sunk into my stomach, for the first time in years not only did I leave my wallet on my dresser, but I was armed and driving without my CCL. I immediately got back into my car, made sure I was out of the public eye, and cautiously disarmed, unloaded my firearm, place the ammo in the glovebox, my XD into my lock box, removed my lock box from its cable and placed it in my trunk. Then cautiously drove the 30 minutes back home, only to start my journey all over again.
Now as far as I know it is illegal to have a firearm loaded in your vehicle in the state of PA without a permit, this is why the ammo came out and went into a seperate compartment, but from what I've read in the past, usually transporting a firearm without a permit (with or without ammo) is allowed in a justified manner such as going to or from a range, gunsmith / store, personal business and your home. I was doing none of these, could I have gotten into so deep if I was pulled over? Do you think the LEO would have been forgiving and let me off the hook with a warning or was I jeopardizing my right to a CCL? Would you guys have handled the situation differently (besides NOT leaving the home without your wallet and CCL)?
Any LEOs feel free to chime in, also I made it home okay and enjoyed the rest of my night feeling safe and without incident.
Often when I go down the road to the stop and rob, I hate to carry my wallet but have to because I'll have my gun with me. I don't know how a LEO would handle me having a gun and not being able to produce my permit. I do know that there would be a 80% chance that I would be in handcuffs for a while until everything is is worked out.
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If I were the LEO who might have stopped you, It wouldn't have been a big deal at all assuming that your permit status is readily searchable and verifiable.
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How many times has a cop or anyone else walked up to you and said "Papers please" and you had to actually show your permit? I'm willing to bet never. So what changed? You forgot your wallet. Big deal. Go home and get it. It can't be but so far away.
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Here is the relevant section of statute. You'd do well to familiarize yourself with it, as well as all of the statutes relating to possession, and carry, of firearms in PA.Now as far as I know it is illegal to have a firearm loaded in your vehicle in the state of PA without a permit, this is why the ammo came out and went into a seperate compartment, but from what I've read in the past, usually transporting a firearm without a permit (with or without ammo) is allowed in a justified manner such as going to or from a range, gunsmith / store, personal business and your home. I was doing none of these, could I have gotten into so deep if I was pulled over?
Originally Posted by 18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a licensePennsylvania does not issue Concealed Carry Licenses. Pennsylvania issues Licenses to Carry Firearms.Do you think the LEO would have been forgiving and let me off the hook with a warning or was I jeopardizing my right to a CCL? Would you guys have handled the situation differently (besides NOT leaving the home without your wallet and CCL)?
Had you been stopped, and had it been discovered that you had a firearm in your vehicle, but no license on your person, there is a provision for demonstrating that you are licensed.
Many Pennsylvanians keep photocopies of their LTCFs in vehicles, etc. for just such an occasion as the one you've related.Originally Posted by 18 Pa.C.S. § 6122: Proof of license and exception
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Also...I believe you can OC in PA without a permit....
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In Missouri, you can have a firearm in your vehicle concealed or in plain view as long as you are 18 and legally able to own a firearm. I guess the problem is when you get out. In your situation, you would have been fine here as long as you didn't take it out and conceal it once you arrived. But, you would still be driving "without your license on your person" which is still a ticketable offense. I believe as the others that you did the right thing in going back to get your wallet, if nothing else for the driving license.
I believe it's 21 in MO to carry in your vehicle without a liscense. 23 to obtain a CCW. Although a Bill is working it's way through that would bring the CCW age to 21. Personally, I don't know many 18 year olds I would trust driving around with a handgun, that are not serving in the military.
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