This is a discussion on Stopped by a Maine State Trooper today within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by tommy3rd you know that, but he doesn't. All he'll know is you're an armed individual (if he checked the system) after you ...
What I'm reading in your post is that if a cop sees an armed citizen it's completely OK for the cop to throw down on him/her based strictly on that fact. Do you really believe that?
I ask this question again because it seems to get ignored; How would you deal W/ a person legally carrying a weapon in their vehicle W/out a permit?
One person's well reasoned argument is another persons farce. A "well reasoned argument" is the domain of the person holding that same opinion.
I'm pretty confident when I say my most people on this forum are not out to change minds. Rather, they are hear to listen to and evaluate other opinions.
Just because your had an epiphany on a message boards does not mean every one else has or will.
You seems to think that cops have nothing better to do than sneak around making up reasons to stick it to law abiding citizens. Get real. Traffic stops are a PITA and unless traffic is their assignment you generally have to be doing something that can't be ignored to get pulled over.
Here's how it works:
It's your behavior that attracts their attention and gets you pulled over.
It's your behavior that determines the outcome of the stop.
And, it's you that has to deal with the consequences of your behavior.
Once the stop is over and you're on your way, I'm moving on to something else.
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Way to go!! You did well! and so did the LEO! I wish ALL stops could go that way, for BOTH Parties!
You showed him total respect, and he responded with same
You went home with a verbal, and he (the LEO) went home safe that night. I'm sure he was grateful for you responding to him in such a professonal manner.
Mutal respect goes a LONG WAY! NOW.......Slow down "leadfoot" LOL (aka MAINE-EE-AK)
BTW, I'm sure you people "down there" have a few good phrases for us in NH
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Anyway good stop, glad he saved you $178 and was nice about it.
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I have only had one or two BAD LEO encounters in the past 10 or more years; I was stopped 150 feet from an intersection that I had just made a left turn into and advised that I was doing about 70 mph.
Took it to court. Asked how long I had been followed as that's how he 'clocked me'. Asked how many vehicles he knew, in particular family vans, that could do zero to 70 in 150 feet out of a left hand turn. And did he note that I was carrying computers and test equipment in the back of my van?
Guess he just had a bad morning and the wife beat him up before he left for work or something. We are all human - LEO's are expected to hold themselves above the general public in that regard but sometimes it's just not possible.
Oh. Also got a seat belt infraction ticket about 15 years ago when I was wearing a shirt same color as seat belt. He noted that I was not wearing a seat belt from a significant distance and through tinted side windows with the sun reflecting off them. Go figure. "No evidence to present. Sorry your honor". Case dismissed.
It all depends on attitude, both yours and the LEO's. And on the 'reasonable doubt' factor.
Just remember that LEO's are human and will respond to human interaction the same as you and I generally.
And then be prepared to go to court to defend your position politely (never call a LEO a liar.... mistaken identity.... 'thought' he saw... etc.)
Luckily I haven't had to show it yet. I have actually been a little more carefull to watch my speed and not "push the envelope" since I got my CPL.
Sounds like you lucked out big time. Reasonable cop, and just a warning. Nice.
What I think:
He should have asked you where on your person the pistol was hung, lodged, holstered, etc, etc. He should (at the very least) have checked that you had a valid permit, by visually inspecting it. You opened the door (by telling him), so he has a right to request that document especially after your admittance to being armed.
Honestly, keeping your mouth shut about being armed, unless or until the stop is going to escalate into an exit of you from your vehicle or there is a danger that the officer may see the weapon is probably a better idea. Just sayin'