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    What "Shall Issue" state is the most strict?

    In your opinion which state that is "Shall Issue" is also the most restrictive in terms of where you may or may not carry?

    Here lately I've been thinking that North Carolina may take the cake, and Michigan is up there.

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    I don't know which states fit this, but I'd have to say the most restrictive shall issue states would be ones that have these things on their books.

    No OC
    Gun buster signs that you have to obey
    Can't keep a gun in your car at work
    Duty to retreat
    Only carry the gun(s) listed on permit
    No carry in school zones
    No carry on college campus
    No carry in parks
    No carry in city bldg.
    No carry in bars/restaurants that serve alcohol

    EDIT: ADDITIONS

    No or restricted Castle Doctrine
    Restrictions on other weapons; Knives, impact weapons, tasers etc.
    No State preemption
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    In your opinion which state that is "Shall Issue" is also the most restrictive in terms of where you may or may not carry?

    Here lately I've been thinking that North Carolina may take the cake, and Michigan is up there.

    I had a CCW from North Carolina in '96, and I have to agree that it was a rather painful permit, at least back then: Gun Buster signs everywhere (in Raleigh), and you must inform a LEO even when he was not officially dealing with you (a guy was arrested when I lived there because he did not inform a female LEO who he had said "Hi!" to on the street. Don't know the outcome).

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    Me thinks : Arizona is will be one of the 3 least restrictive states, along with their Alaska and Vermont club members.
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    Sorry. I'm very, very suspicious of the story about not notifying a LEO when merely saying Hi or needing to. Official contact, yes.

    I rarely see gun-buster signs except in medical facilities and BassPro Shops. And of course government facilities.

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    I'd agree if there's no OC, that's a big minus. Other than that, I think Ohio may be up there as far as having a number of off-limits place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    In your opinion which state that is "Shall Issue" is also the most restrictive in terms of where you may or may not carry?

    Here lately I've been thinking that North Carolina may take the cake, and Michigan is up there.
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    hands down it is georgia till the governor signs the 2 waiting gun bills...

    (b) For the purpose of this Code section, "public gathering" shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises and which derive less than 50 percent of their total annual gross food and beverage sales from the sale of prepared meals or food. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.


    so this is anything a cop wants it to be...mainly if your a black man you could be arrested(the intent of the law) this is why GeorgiaCarry.org has worked so hard to get rid of this institutional form of racism
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdawson View Post

    Sorry. I'm very, very suspicious of the story about not notifying a LEO when merely saying Hi or needing to. Official contact, yes.

    I rarely see gun-buster signs except in medical facilities and BassPro Shops. And of course government facilities.


    Wow hdawson, you may really want to polish-up on your own CCW laws up there in North Carolina before you get yourself arrested.

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    "Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
    The permit holder must carry the permit, together with valid identification, whenever carrying a concealed handgun, and is required to disclose to any law enforcement officer who addresses or approaches the permit holder that he or she is a permit holder and is carrying a concealed handgun".


    And as to you not seeing the Raleigh No-Carry signs in 1996: were you actually living in Raleigh in 1996 when the NC CCW law there was brand new, as I was? If you were, and you missed all the "No Guns" signs posted, then I can't help you there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    I don't know which states fit this, but I'd have to say the most restrictive shall issue states would be ones that have these things on their books.

    No OC
    Gun buster signs that you have to obey
    Can't keep a gun in your car at work
    Duty to retreat
    Only carry the gun(s) listed on permit
    No carry in school zones
    No carry on college campus
    No carry in parks
    No carry in city bldg.
    No carry in bars/restaurants that serve alcohol
    I think this is a pretty good list but I would add any state that does not have state wide preemption, a Castle Doctrine or any state with a Castle Doctrine with restrictions. I would also look at restrictions of other weapons such as knives, crossbows, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    I think this is a pretty good list but I would add any state that does not have state wide preemption, a Castle Doctrine or any state with a Castle Doctrine with restrictions. I would also look at restrictions of other weapons such as knives, crossbows, etc.
    Great additions, I'll add them to the list.
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    What "Shall Issue" state is the most strict?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackson85746
    Me thinks : Arizona is will be one of the 3 least restrictive states, along with their Alaska and Vermont club members.
    Vermont is incredibly restrictive: you can't carry outside the state.
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    Duty to retreat if not in home or car.
    Restrictions on how (method) you carry your handgun(s) in your car.
    No restaurant or bar carry.
    Duty to inform LEO and promptly. No legal definition of prompt. 50 seconds was to long and went to court in one case.
    No public building carry where employees of state or local jurisdictional entities work.
    No campus carry.
    No school carry including off campus activities. Eating at Mcd's and a school bus rolls in your screwed.
    No mental facility carry.
    Posted businesses carry a felony charge if you ignore a sign.
    No coverage by CHL on long guns, knives or other defensive weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdawson View Post
    Sorry. I'm very, very suspicious of the story about not notifying a LEO when merely saying Hi or needing to. Official contact, yes.

    I rarely see gun-buster signs except in medical facilities and BassPro Shops. And of course government facilities.
    I'd like to know more about this as well. How would the LEO know that they were armed. They aren't legally allowed to just walk up and hassle you. That leads to large sums of money being given out by the city, county, or state.


    Quote Originally Posted by Will B. Droopy View Post
    Wow hdawson, you may really want to polish-up on your own CCW laws up there in North Carolina before you get yourself arrested.

    QUOTE:

    "Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
    The permit holder must carry the permit, together with valid identification, whenever carrying a concealed handgun, and is required to disclose to any law enforcement officer who addresses or approaches the permit holder that he or she is a permit holder and is carrying a concealed handgun".


    And as to you not seeing the Raleigh No-Carry signs in 1996: were you actually living in Raleigh in 1996 when the NC CCW law there was brand new, as I was? If you were, and you missed all the "No Guns" signs posted, then I can't help you there...

    -Bill
    Addresses and Approaches sounds like legal speak for "lawful contact" meaning if they are questioning you about an event, stopped you for a traffic violation, or DUI checkpoint etc.

    What you're saying is the same thing people are saying about the AZ immigration law. That is to say "they will just hassle people who fit one description or another". That's untrue, and a good lawyer would hit payday on it were this to happen.

    Again I ask, if you're concealed how do they know? Also if they're just passing by are you going to flag them down to show them your permit? I'm thinking no...
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