Doctor carry...

Doctor carry...

This is a discussion on Doctor carry... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'm looking for those who have/do carry while wearing scrubs all day at their medical profession. My Bro-in-law will soon receive a Sig P250 .45 ...

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    Doctor carry...

    I'm looking for those who have/do carry while wearing scrubs all day at their medical profession.

    My Bro-in-law will soon receive a Sig P250 .45 sub compact for Fathers Day. He is a doctor, moving to Detroit mid-June. He wants to carry 24/7, and of course wears scrubs and a lab coat here and there.

    The first thing that I thought of was the Smartcarry system, but what else is out there? What do you use, have you heard of others using who might be in the same boat?

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    For scrubs I've heard smartcarry, belly band, IWB with some clip on suspenders. You can also look at it as gym carry, and wearing gym clothes under the scrubs, this may also make a set of cargo shorts under the scrubs an option, or slacks as applicable, and those have pockets and belts which open more options. Some companies also make clothes with pockets to hold firearms with some concealment, which would provide some options as well.

    If you search for "scrubs", a similar thread popped up where an ER doctor needed a deep concealment solution for scrubs.

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    Sweet, I didn't think to search 'scrubs'..

    I've got the smartcarry, belly band, and pistol wear...

    I had the same thought about the similarities in cc'ing gym style.
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    I don't see any way possible that he can carry in a hospital under state law. As a Dr., he doesn't need anything like smart carry if he finds a loophole out there for hospital carry. He does need to carry 24/7 in Detroit. That is a fact.
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    I took a handgun course earlier this year with an emergency room physician who carried a kel-tec in a pocket holster in his scrubs.

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    I'm a LEO and a respiratory therapist. When I work in the hospital I wear scrubs and I carry a j-frame in an ankle holster. Scrubs are too thin to hide anything else.

    Also, a .45 Sig in a Smart Carry is going to make him mighty popular with the ladies cause you can't hide a .45 round in scrubs, let alone a gun!
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    I don't think you could do better than a SmartCarry in scrubs but I'd go with a smaller weapon!
    ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

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    Actually, my S&W 340 fits perfectly into the inside pocket of my white coat. So if he wants to carry something a little smaller, he could carry in the inside pocket--the outside pocket prevents it from being seen too, especially if he's got some sort of paper in that pocket.
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    Where do you guys work? I have never been in a hospital that allows you to carry a knife much less pack a pistol, and I've been working in hospitals for over 25 years.

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    Looks like he's out of luck carrying at work. From Handgunlaw.us

    Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License
    28.425o. amended Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined;
    exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.
    1. *Schools or school property but may carry in the while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off
    or picking up if a parent or legal guardian. (Act 719 allows carry in parking lots. See below)
    2. Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing
    agency.
    3. Sports arena or stadium
    4. A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the
    premises
    5. Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of
    worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons
    6. An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or
    more
    7. A hospital
    8. A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
    9. A Casino
    10. Premises does not include parking areas of the above places 1 thru 8.
    The parking lots of Casino’s are off Limits to those with a permit to carry.
    Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
    "Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by
    judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior
    approval consistent with the court’s written policy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkahuna View Post
    Where do you guys work? I have never been in a hospital that allows you to carry a knife much less pack a pistol, and I've been working in hospitals for over 25 years.
    It varies by state. In Virginia it is legal to carry in a hospital. Most prohibit employees from carrying here, but do not post to stop visitors.
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    First, he should perform a threat assessment for his work environment and then a risk analysis.

    He needs to consider the fact that with deep concealment, usually comes a somewhat slower draw time. It would be ridiculous to expect that drawing from deep concealment is going to be a fast as drawing from an OWB open carry scenario.

    Therefore, he needs to understand what the chances are of being caught standing in the open during a lethal force situation vs. the likelihood of being afforded the opportunity of performing a stealth draw and also being in at least a position of concealment, if not hard cover when a lethal force encounter happens close by, in a general area and not directly in his face.

    That said, when working in scrub attire, he may want to consider a smaller, more discreet weapon during those times.

    Also, if he intends to carry 24/7... which as far as I'm concerned, is the only way to carry, he may want to consider having more than one holster option.

    Having a smart carry rig, as well as a belly band, or ankle holster set up, will give him a variety of options. Changing up his carry method may also help keep people from spotting him as easily as he won't always have the same bulge in the same place day after day.

    One rig I use quite a bit is the Deep Concealment Shoulder Holster. It is a belly band type holster only it is worn high on the chest with the gun tucked under your arm pit. It has shoulder straps which helps distribute the weight across the shoulders which makes carrying a full size gun comfortable for 18 - 20 plus hours. It is also easily adjustable without removing the rig. Very easy to just grab it and shift it around a little bit. With this rig, I often carry a G-23 primary IWB and an XD9sc BUG in this Deep Concealment rig and a Ruger LCP in weak side pants pocket.

    Now, wearing scrubs, he is going to have to reach for his gun from underneath. However, scrubs fit very loose and it shouldn't be a problem. I often wear mine with an untucked polo shirt and can draw in under 2 seconds. Again, I just want to point out that someone going on a shooting spree in an ER, he would likely have the opportunity to perform a stealth draw from a position of concealment or cover.

    The Deep Concealment Shoulder Holster is also a great rig for wearing a shirt and tie and not have to wear a jacket or sport coat over it. Leaving a button open behind the tie, or better yet, making a false button, secured with a velcro dot provides for an easy draw when wearing a button up shirt.

    Here's the link for the Deep Concealment Shoulder Holster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkahuna View Post
    Where do you guys work? I have never been in a hospital that allows you to carry a knife much less pack a pistol, and I've been working in hospitals for over 25 years.
    I'm finishing med school (graduate next saturday), so mostly I've been in offices and wearing shirt/tie--so a Supertuck has worked for me most of the time. Unfortunately, I've been in NC this last year, and a lot of places are posted, and the hospital I've been in has been posted. The one I'm getting ready to go to is not posted, and no law regarding hospitals is in place; but while I was a student there, there is a no weapons clause in the employee handbook

    One doc I did work with carried off-person in a shoulder-bag he carried everywhere. Granted, I didn't check him that well to see if he was carrying on person--which he could have been.

    With scrubs, I do like the thought of a smart carry. Problem is, if he's in the OR any, he'll be in the locker room changing, so someone may see it there. While I was on my OR rotations though, I just put the scrubs over my slacks and no one was the wiser (but did have to remove shirt/tie cause they would fuss about that).
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    Like I said, I work in a hospital full time, in scrubs. I've tried all kinds of carry methods with several small guns and have come to the conclusion that an ankle holster is the way to go and it works great with a j-frame revolver. If something else worked better that's what I'd be doing. Ankle carry is not the answer for every situation but it is perfect for the hospital setting. I've never been compromised and my gun is readily accessible if I need it.

    And as far as Smart Carry goes, if you've ever worn hospital scrubs you know that they tie at the waist and need to be tied snug if they're going to stay on you. Not conducive to drawing a gun out of your skivvies.
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    Also try a holster T-shirt. They have a pouch in the armpit with a support strap for the shoulder to support it. I believe 5.11 makes a good one.

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