A little LEO excitement..a little too much for me.

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    A little LEO excitement..a little too much for me.

    I had just put a scope on my AK the previous day and went to the range to sight it in. It is so goofy with the scope on it that I don't have a case to fit it in. I usually have the long guns ride in the back of the truck cased but since I have no case that fits the AK road up front with me. Range session went great and I stayed until dark doing a little fishing in the nearby pond as well....

    Sooooo I was on my way home from the shooting range and road right into a DUI checkpoint. It was a big checkpoint with about 20 officers from multiple agencies. My EVIL looking AK was on the passenger seat right out in plain view (no mag).

    I turned on every light in my truck as I pulled up and informed the first officer I saw that I was armed. He waved me in and told me to inform the next guy in line. As I rolled past him I heard him yell "CCW" and point at my truck. I got up to the actual stop area and told the officer I was armed and how would he like to proceed. He of course focused on the AK and said "OH! What's that in here for?" I explained about the shooting range and he was pretty cool. I had three other guns cased and in the truck and he asked if any were loaded. I said "Only the one on my hip." . There were 3 or 4 officers at my window by this time and they asked if there was any ammo in the vehicle and I responded yes (HELLO loaded gun on my hip). They soon asked me to step out of the car. I was thinking "Aww crap!".

    I was disarmed and escorted away from my vehicle and over to a holding area. I was given a field sobriety test and after passing I was free to go and my EDC was returned (unloaded). Even though I was stone sober I can't believe I passed because I was soooo nervous.

    The officers were VERY friendly and professional and before I left I stood around and chatted about guns for a little while with 4 or 5 of them.

    It was a pretty surreal experience and I really felt poopy when I had to get out of the truck in the middle of the road and be disarmed. I kept wondering what all of the other drivers were thinking when they saw my weapon being taken out by the officer. I felt like I was in a bad movie or an even worse dream.

    I don't believe any of this would have happened if I had just taken the time to buy a tactical rifle case and I feel it is all my fault. I will buy a proper case without delay.

    Moral of this story: Don't be lazy when transporting firearms because you never know when something is going to happen. These officers could have ruined my day because I was in a grey area of the law (and it would have been all my fault). All in all I was very pleased how everything turned out.

    If any of you guys are reading this I’ll say thanks again!
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    Why the sobriety test?
    It could have been worse, especially if they had been on the lookout for a 'highway sniper'...

    Glad you escaped the "Your papers, please." check point.
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    We hang them in the rear window in Arizona without being hassled.
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    I passed through a DUI checkpoint but I’ve never been asked to take a test. There is no way I would ever pass a physical heel-toe test due to a disability but I suppose it could be a problem in some areas. Anyway, glad it worked out Ok.
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    Did they check the inside of Your car out ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccman View Post
    Did they check the inside of Your car out ?.
    Yep. An officer actually got in my truck and drove it into a parking lot while I was walked to a separate area. He then took out my range bag and placed it in the back of my truck (in the bed). He did ask if this was OK with me before he did it. I think this was what they were upset about (Having a range bag and ammo in the truck where the AK was). Ohio has some funny, hard to understand laws about transporting firearms in a car. Once it was in the back of the truck they were happy and I was on my way.

    Maybe SIXTO can help explain better about the wording of the law.
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    Well, being a DUI checkpoint, they very well might have done the exact same thing whether the rifle was visible or not. Glad it worked out though.

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    I hate DUI offenders but I don't like these checkpoints one bit more.

    Hard to believe the LEO couldn't immediately discern that OP was sober. Sounds like they were looking for time with which to consider the gun issue.

    And Saber does have his point too. There are lots of folks who sober, can not do a field sobriety test because of various medical issues, or even the shoes they are wearing.

    Bottom line is the usual one. Don't do things that bring attention to yourself.
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    I am against drunk driving, but I am also 100% against sobriety checkpoints. Nobody has any business stopping you unless you are showing signs of DUI, or otherwise driving in an unsafe manner. Checkpoints such as this seem like a 4th amendment violation. Papers please!

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    At the end of the day, atctimmy took home a valuable lesson. He handled the sutuation correctly and did everything he should have, and it ended well. Also, he is getting a case for the AK which will prevent this from happening again.


    I hate DUI offenders but I don't like these checkpoints one bit more.

    Hard to believe the LEO couldn't immediately discern that OP was sober. Sounds like they were looking for time with which to consider the gun issue.
    I have a couple of issues with this...

    1) Why do you hate the checkpoints? Are they inneffective? Are they inconvenient? Do you have something to hide?

    I have no issues with LEO doing whateve it takes to keep the roads safe. I'll gladly give a few minutes, or tens of minutes to help them do this.

    2) Can you tell when someone has been drinking? Maybe you can tell when they are drunk, but you don't have to be drunk to be impared.

    Sounds to me like they were making sure that atctimmy was 1) not intoxicated (the wholle point of them being out to begin with) and 2) making sure that atctimmy didnt have any warrants, and was legally transporting his firearms. If anything they could have been far mroe stringent with the way that they treated him.

    But I do agree with

    Bottom line is the usual one. Don't do things that bring attention to yourself.
    It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it is.
    and that goes for LEO and BG alike. Don't make a spectacle of yourself and you will not attract unwanted attention.
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    I passed through a DUI checkpoint but I’ve never been asked to take a test. There is no way I would ever pass a physical heel-toe test due to a disability but I suppose it could be a problem in some areas. Anyway, glad it worked out Ok.
    Chances are good that if you explain to Mr. LEO why you are unable to take the field test, and aren't slurring your speech doing it, he will ask you to perform another, different test. You can do this all day long, and eventually, it will come down to a breathalyzer... at which point, if you are not beyond the legal limit, you will be cut loose.
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    Sorry that you had to go through that. I know all about it being legal and all but even having been a LEO it still still smells of "papers please" to me. I know from experience, the check point catches more than drunks and in some ways is a good thing. I too just don't care for the whole "check point" theme. It closely borders illegal search and seizure and the way our government is going, it paves the way for more violation of our basic freedoms for "the common good". That's just me, I'm getting to be an old curmudgeon.

    I don't think not having a case was wrong of you, stuff happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCWFlaRuger View Post
    I have a couple of issues with this...

    1) Why do you hate the checkpoints? Are they inneffective? Are they inconvenient? Do you have something to hide?
    Sorry, that's nonsense. Unless they see me doing something to indicate I am intoxicated, they have no right to stop me. Yes they are inconvenient. "Something to hide" is a lame excuse officials use to get people to give up their rights.
    I have no issues with LEO doing whateve it takes to keep the roads safe. I'll gladly give a few minutes, or tens of minutes to help them do this.
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    2) Can you tell when someone has been drinking? Maybe you can tell when they are drunk, but you don't have to be drunk to be impared.

    Sounds to me like they were making sure that atctimmy was 1) not intoxicated (the wholle point of them being out to begin with) and 2) making sure that atctimmy didnt have any warrants, and was legally transporting his firearms. If anything they could have been far mroe stringent with the way that they treated him.

    But I do agree with

    and that goes for LEO and BG alike. Don't make a spectacle of yourself and you will not attract unwanted attention.
    More bull. Checkpoint aside, LEO's can tell if you are impaired by simply examining how your eyes react when following an object to the full extent of your peripheral vision. All the other sobriety tests are a dog and pony show. Cop told me that, before you ask. There was no reason to believe he had any warrants or was driving impaired. Checking for warrants doesn't necessitate being pulled from the vehicle and detained. ActTimmy wasn't making a spectacle of himself, the cops, in this case, were hassling him b/c he had firearms. In Ohio, transporting an unloaded longarm in the passenger compartment, in plain sight, is legal.

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    Been through them as well and find it a little disconcerting.
    Have never had a problem, but think about this.
    In Arizona you might have to show proof of citizenship.
    It may get worse before it gets better.
    And, it may come to your town soon.

    If these stops take one drunk off the road and prevent just one innocent death, it's worth it to me.
    You see, I lost my Cousin to a Drunk Driver here recently.
    He was a great guy who never drank, and was done in by a kid who'd been drinking all day at the drag races. Then decided to have some fun on the way home. He hit Jim at over 100 miles an hour head on.

    Last DUI Checkpoint I got stopped at, I shook the Patrolmans hand and thanked him for working late on what must be a crappy assignment.
    Glad they understood the Assault Rifle in the front seat.

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